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From: rjv@ihdev.UUCP (ron vaughn)
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Subject: Re: Bowl Results/Conference Strengths/#
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Date: Sun, 5-Jan-86 02:01:53 EST
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Posted: Sun Jan  5 02:01:53 1986
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In article <694@pucc-j> rsk@pucc-j.UUCP (Wombat) writes:
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>I would like to mildly disagree with the relative rankings of the various
>bowls, though; I thought the Orange Bowl was a pretty good game, except
>for the two back-to-back terrible calls by referees in the third quarter
>that cost a superior Penn State team the game.  

what a crock.  superior penn state??  they lost by 15 points.  even if two back
to back calls resulted in two touchdowns, they still would have lost.  
i give penn state credit for really cramping the wishbone, but they had NO
offense, their qback sucked.  outside of the first drive, they couldn't
touch OUs defense.  wake up.  they went in 7.5 point underdogs, and lost
by two touchdowns.  what was OU supposed to do, try to blow them out??

>On the basis of Michigan's win over Nebraska, I feel they should be #1.
>Iowa and Miama zapped themselves out of the picture; Oklahoma comes from
>a weak conference; and there just isn't anyone else close.

that makes sense.  the big-8 is a weak conference, but by beating the SECOND
team from the big-8, a team OU trounced in regular season, michigain deserves
to be #1.  it's not like michigain beat the crap out of nebraska.  in fact,
nebraska walked over them the first half, with two long (60+ yard) scoring
drives, like the michigan defense wasn't even there.  it took three fumbles
and a blocked punt in 11 minutes to make it a close (four point) game.  i give 
nebraska as much credit for losing as michigan for winning.  ask michigan and
illinois if they think nebraska/big-8 is a weak conference.  someone
earlier said michigan was two field goals from a perfect season and
a nat'l championship.  hell, they were also a few field goals from
a so-so season and dropping out of the top 10.

i've had it.  why does everyone think the big-8 is a weak conference??
people say all this shit like  "the schedule should be considered, not
just the record" etc, but do THEY look at records?  of the 36(!!) teams
in bowl games, OUs opponents had the SECOND BEST RECORD.  but do you big/pac-10
fans ever mention that?  OU had the highest rated defense *EVER*, against
a tough schedule, ever mention that?  OUs nosegaurd was picked the best
down lineman in the nation, and linebacker bosworth won the first butkis
award as the best linebacker.  murphy was ANOTHER all-american on defense.
we are talking about the #1 defens this year, and one of the best ever,
by anyones yard-stick.  and in their last seven regular season games OU
averaged 38 points a games.  only on the net will you hear how weak 
the big-8 is and how penn state was superior to OU.  net.footballers seem to 
know a LOT about rah-rah-rah my conference is better, sis-boom-bah my team is
better, but don't seem know much about football beyond what they read in
the campus newspapers.  half the people in the big-10 probably think
michigan had the highest ranked defense in college football.  all of
this regional/conference pride also results in regional ignorance.  most
of you putting down a different conference know nothing about it.  i've
lived in new-york, arizona, montana, texas, oklahoma and illinios.
you all bitch about the same things.  and you all know very little about
what you are bitching about.

please post the rest of the "my team deserves #1" etc. type postings
under the subject "more sour grapes" or "we didn't win, so the
ranking system must be wrong."  you know, every single coach in the UPI
poll voted OU #1.  did you ever think just for a moment "yes, yes!!  these
men who devoted their lives to football just might know a tad more about
it that i do??"  /* minor exception, barry switzer voted for frezno state */

	ron vaughn	...!ihnp4!ihdev!rjv