Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site umcp-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!gatech!ut-sally!seismo!umcp-cs!dday From: dday@umcp-cs.UUCP (Dennis Doubleday) Newsgroups: net.sport.football Subject: Re: Fuel for Flames/OU & Conferences Message-ID: <2714@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 10-Jan-86 15:58:29 EST Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.2714 Posted: Fri Jan 10 15:58:29 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 13-Jan-86 01:08:41 EST References: <30400015@ISM780B.UUCP> Reply-To: dday@maryland.UUCP (Dennis Doubleday) Organization: U of Maryland, Computer Science Dept., College Park, MD Lines: 76 >>How can you call Oklahoma's schedule this year patsy? I'm truly baffled. >>**Seven** of their twelve opponents this season were bowl teams (three of >>them played in New Year's Day bowls!). Half the teams in the Big Eight >>went to bowls, and they all had good non-conference records. In all >>fairness, you can't make a judgement of the strength of a conference based >>on four games. Colorado came within two yards of beating Washington, and >>the Nebraska-Michigan game could have gone either way. Even with Colorado's >>loss to Washington, the Big Eight still topped the Pac 10 4-2 in head-to- >>head matches this year. > >With 18 bowl games, LOTS of teams went to bowls. Half the teams in the >Pac-10 and and six teams in the Big-10 also went. Could have, shmould have. So why does the fact that the Big 8 sent half their teams and the Pac 10 sent half their teams mean that the Big 8 is the weaker conference? I'm not trying to prove that the Big 8 is better, only roughly equivalent. I've already posted previously (in response to Eddy Lor) the figures showing that in non-conf. games in 1985 (before the bowls) the Big 8 was 17-14-0. The Pac 10 was 16-14-1. Roughly equivalent. With the bowls figured in its 18-16-0 and 18-16-1. *Very similar*. Your claim that the Pac 10 is tougher just doesn't hold up to inspection. >Yeah, Colorado might have beaten Washington. On the other hand, Arizona >could easily have beaten Georgia (it was a tie) and Arizona State could have >easily beaten Arkansas (a one-point loss, a dropped pass that would have put >them in field-goal range in the final seconds.) So the Pac-10 would have >been 4-1, but then if pigs had wings they would fly. Yeah, and if UCLA deserves to be rated ahead of Oklahoma, then pigs do have wings! JUST LOOK AT THE RECORD!! Oklahoma lost one game all year long (to a top ten team). UCLA was tied by a top ten team and lost games to two teams, Washington and USC, which finished 7-5 and 6-6, respectively. Mediocre, at best! UCLA had to eke out a 31-30 victory over lowly Washington State, for Chrissakes! Sure, UCLA played a #1-type game against Iowa, but you gotta do it all season long to end up highly-ranked. >> >>OKLAHOMA IS #1 AND THE REST IS SOUR GRAPES! > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^ > ^ > from which you're making a fine whine. > It's not we who are whining, Mr. Brunet. Whining is what the losers do. >Yeah, and let's see what happens if they go up against a team that can pass. >Let's see what happens when they go up against teams that don't live and die >by the run. I believe in balanced teams. A good balanced team, with a good >passing attack, will take OU apart. I look forward to seeing UCLA vs. OU >next fall; it turns out turnover will be very low for both teams. You lose >Casillas, UCLA loses Whalen. I predict UCLA will stuff the wishbone, the >passing will open up OU's defense, and a balanced attack will and special >teams will take OU apart. > You're making some very large assumptions there. Despite the fact that Oklahoma led the nation in pass defense, it's true that is the unproven part of their defense. They just don't play many teams with good passing attacks. Similarly, despite the fact that UCLA led the nation in rushing defense, their rushing defense is suspect. They have not played anybody who can run like Oklahoma. They played a Washington State team with a decent running attack and gave up 30 points. UCLA will not stuff the wishbone. Oklahoma's defense is superior because they stopped the run in a running conference and UCLA did not stop the pass in a passing conference. It's clear from the Rose Bowl that UCLA has a dangerous offense, but the defense still managed to allow Iowa 28 points and 400 yards of offense. -- UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs!dday Dennis Doubleday CSNet: dday@umcp-cs University of Maryland ARPA: dday@gymble.umd.edu College Park, MD 20742 Fan of: Chicago Cubs, Chicago Bears, OU Sooners (301) 454-4247