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From: wbs@cybvax0.UUCP (William B. Solomon)
Newsgroups: net.sport.football
Subject: Re: Patriots
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Date: Wed, 15-Jan-86 18:28:34 EST
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Posted: Wed Jan 15 18:28:34 1986
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In article <468@tekchips.UUCP> stevev@tekchips.UUCP (Steve Vegdahl) writes:
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>Regarding the 1976 Pats/Raiders playoff game:
> A third-down passing situation came up in which
>the Pats could run out the clock (or all but run it out, I forget) if they
>could manage to make a first down.  They attempted a pass over the middle
>(I forget the intended receiver's name), but it was incomplete, bringing up
>fourth down.  The reason he did not catch the ball, however, was that
>Raider linebacker Phil Villapiano grabbed him and threw him to the ground.
>I'm not sure whether he did this before or after the ball was thrown,
>but either way it should have resulted in a penalty (def. holding or
>pass interference) that would have given the Patriots a first down.  As
>no penalty was called, the Pats had to give up the ball, setting up the
>Raider drive that included the roughing call on Adams and the subsequent
>winning Raider TD drive.
>
>Does anyone else remember the non-call against Villapiano?  Is my memory
>playing tricks on me?
 
Being a niner fan , you should Know this .  The reciever was Russ Francis.
Villipiano held him before and while the ball was in the air.  The lineman
called for roughing the passer was Ray Hamilton (current assistant for the
pats).
 
>Final subject: Super Bowl prediction.
>I have long contended that teams that get to the playoffs and win
>playoff games by relying on turnovers are not what Super Bowl winners
>are made of.  What typically happens is that they win by beating teams
>who are turning the ball over, but ultimately run into a team that is
>"hot" and is not turning the ball over, and lose.  Consider the Vikings
>of the early '70's or the Broncos and Seahawks recently.  Also, remember
>the Redskins of couple years ago, who ran up some phonomenal turnover
>"ratio" only to get blown out by the Raiders in the Super Bowl.
>
>The Patriots seem to be such a team.  In my estimation, the Patriots will
>need a turnover "ratio" of at least +3 in the Super Bowl in order to beat
>the Bears.  All indications are that the Bears are "hot" (they are also
>good).  I just do not think that Chicago will turn the ball over that
>often.  I would not be surprised to see something close a repeat of Super
>Bowl 18 where the Raiders blew out the Redskins.  Let's go with Bears 27,
>Pats 10.  Turnovers: Bears win 3 to 1.

Do you think the Pats would have lost to the Jets without turnovers.  I
doubt it.  10 of the Raiders points were preceded by Patriot Turnovers.
Against Miami , New England would have had several long drives for scores
instead of short and medium ones. In Miami,  the Dolphins were just flat
out beaten (turnovers or no turnovers).  My point is that the patriots are
not such a team. They've won several games this season with 80+ yard 
drives late in the game (Offensive line Dominates).

>This will be only the fourth Super Bowl in history in which neither team
>has been to a Super Bowl before.  The others were Packers-Chiefs
>(obviously) in '67, Jets-Colts in '69 and 49ers-Bengals in '82.  Can
>anyone shed some light on what players and coaches from either team
>have Super Bowl experience?
>

Tony Franklin - Phil.
Derek Ramsey - Raiders
Greg Hawthorne - Pitt. ??


William Solomon
Brighton , Ma.