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From: ark@alice.UucP (Andrew Koenig)
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Subject: Re: Schiff
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Date: Fri, 24-Jan-86 10:32:29 EST
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>> 
>>Well, as a tax lawyer (albeit Canadian) I think I *will* jump all
>>over you.   I would like to see more details before I am prepared to
>>believe your assertions about "political prisoners" and "guilty of no
>>crime other than...".
>> 


> The simple fact is that the majority of persons in the U.S. who
> are convicted of "tax crimes" are political prisoners.  For example,
> as Schiff points out, nowhere in our tax code is anyone "required"
> to file "income" tax returns, nowhere is the language "mandatory"
> or "required" used in connection with "income" tax returns, nor
> is failing to file such returns specifically made a crime with
> specific penalties.  In addition, our tax agency regularly breaks
> all laws, from the Constitution to the tax code itself, in the normal
> course of their business.  

> The reason a jury could be persuaded to convict Schiff is quite simple,
> it is the principle of the Big Lie at work, with a good dose of
> fear of the IRS thrown in for good measure.  Justice in tax cases
> is nearly unknown in the U.S., one is presumed guilty by the IRS until
> proven innocent, the IRS has the courts in their pocket and uses
> judges as hatchetmen, and they are certainly not above lying to a jury
> in a court of law.  Possibly in Canada things are done differently,
> but in the U.S. the IRS has nearly unlimited powers that go far beyond
> their actual legal authority.

> For more details, see my original Schiff postings, plus the books
> by Schiff, "The Biggest Con" , "The Great Income Tax Hoax", and
> "The Social Security Swindle".
> 
>			Bob Alpert

Unfortunately, Schiff's claims are very hard to verify, because
in order to do so one would have to read the entire tax code!
And, I suppose, most people convicted of "tax crimes" are political
prisoners because Shiff says so.  Or is it because you say so?

How about some evidence?  So far, everything I've seen about Schiff
is consistent with two very different possibilities:

	(a) the government has indeed railroaded him, in violation
	of all the applicable laws, or

	(b) he is a criminal lunatic who has gotten what he deserved.

Now, I don't have at my disposal any experiment that I can do to
distinguish between these two cases.  For instance, even if I knew
how to obtain a transcript of the trial, that wouldn't help! -- if
case (a) were true, the transcript would be a fraud.  I certainly
don't have the time or knowledge to read the entire tax code!  So
how do I distinguish?  What independent evidence can I use?