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From: gti@ihlpm.UUCP (Phelps)
Newsgroups: net.auto
Subject: Re: first impressions: mustang GT
Message-ID: <702@ihlpm.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 12-Feb-86 15:14:13 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb 12 15:14:13 1986
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> 
> >I thought my reply to the original Mustang posting was reasonable --
> >am I alone in thinking this?  And I thought stuff like Chuck's reply
> >went away with net.flame!
> 
> in reply to:
> 
> >Message-ID: <7812@watrose.UUCP>
> >Reply-To: tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen)
> 
> 
> net.flame went away, but I have not. It makes me sick to see vw fanatics
> cluttering up the net with the diatribe on the merits of owning a VW.
> These fanatics think that vw's are sports cars. The rabbit started out
> as an economy car, they put flashy interiors in it (more weight), wider
> tires, renamed it, a little more power, and TA-DA call it a sports car.
> Remember YOU are the one comparing it to a mustang GT. I dare say that on
> a real (road racing)track the GT would blow the rabbit off. please don't
> feed me shit about "what the magazine says" . Go ahead convince me that
> a front wheel drive car corners well, a GTI can't even keep it rear inside
> wheel on the road when going around corners quickly. I have driven both
> the GTI and rabbit on a track and the understeer is so bad that the speed
> of the car drops significantly. just try and slide in/drift out of a corner.
> Keeping the wheels on the road is important. 
>

Get yor facts straight..or don't say anything. First off, who in the
hell ever said a GTI was a sports car to you. I bet you made this
up. If you would calm down you would realize it is actually a sports
hatchback...nothing less and much more. You then complain about how
the car handles. Ever see how a 'STANG plows off at corner 5 at Road
America consistently? Shame, shame on a rear drive car!

I'm not trying to cause bad feelings. But you people who put
someone down for the priorities of owning a particular car are
infantile. If you want to profile, buy a Mustang...want
understatedness? Get a GTI. 

You then say how you can not drift a GTI...You obviously don't know
about LEFT FOOT BRAKING to do this...The Mustang driver would
benefit from this procedure as well. AGAIN>>>KNOW BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

 
> I love their new commercial, GTI's jumping over hills and bouncing all
> over the highway. This must be the natural state of the GTI , wheels
> in the air. It seems VW of america concurs.
>
Hey...This is typical of most cars with McPhereson strut front
suspension and a front wieght bias. Dont criticize without being in
the know about what your complaining about. 
> 
> >In article <232@druhi.UUCP> vuser@druhi.UUCP (GerardenC) writes:
> 
> 
> >Oh.  We *paid* $8800 (Cdn $12500) for the GTI.  Most new GTIs at the
> >dealers only have a sunroof.
> 
> I am reporting what the dealers are asking in this area, Of course the
> more the dealers ask the more a vw fanatic wants one of these bricks on
> wheels . The dealer actually EXPECTED me to be excited when I picked up
> my rabbit. He has been dealing with people like you to long. The one
> and only reason to buy a rabbit is gas mileage. remember it is still
> built in america. The vw's built in europe are not the same as the ones
> built in the US. reliability is no better than a pinto.
> 
> 
> >Two 6'1" adults sit comfortably in the
> >back seat of the GTI.
> 
> >Chuck, I invite you to try the back seat in a new Golf, Jetta or GTI.
> >The choice is yours --- in one piece or in a trash bag.  I'm 6'1" and
> >I can sit comfortably in the back.
> 
> You must have a size 3 shoe. Or do you just hang your feet out where the
> floor pans usually rust through?
> 
> >The GTI is very controllable on the limits.  The Pirelli P600's
> >>ONLY BECAUSE THE LIMITS ARE SO LOW 
> 
> >Once again, the supreme self-confidence of pure ignorance shines through.
> 
> Once again, Another fanatic buys the biased horse shit that gets published
> in C&D or R&T. I will be in Montreal for the GP  I plan on driving my Lotus,
> should we see how FANTASTIC your GTI is? Its not a car its just a VW.
> 
How is that British Quality anyways...Still start in winter like my
GTI does? What mag. do you read anyways...Popular Science?
> 
> >>With my superior traction and lighter car...
> >
> >WORK OUT THE MATH
> 
> I'm getting my Bachelor of Mathematics in three months.  I think I'm
> capable of basic mathematics.
> 
> I see, If we are to believe magazines then the ~2500 lb GTI at ~105 hp
> with a high .CD will outperform a mustang GT at ~3200 lbs ,>200hp with a
> lower .CD and of course better tires. please enlighten me.
> 
> >PROVIDED YOU COULD KEEP THE THING ON THE ROAD ?
> >DUE TO UNEQUAL DRIVESHAFT LENGTH THE TORQUE STEER ON RABBITS MAKE THEM
> >VERY UNSTABLE. 
> 
> >The driveshafts are of practically equal lengths on the new GTI, Golf
> >and GTI.  Not much torque steer.
> 
> not that you would notice now that the car is larger and heavier.
> 
> YOU SEEM TO BE INTO READING FIGURES AND NOT DRIVING. AS THE OWNER
> OF A VW RABBIT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT IS THE WORST CAR I HAVE EVER OWNED.
> 
> >I have driven the new GTI extensively.  Sounds like you haven't even
> >seen one.  How could you possibly tell me that you know more about it
> >than I do?
> 
> I could never presume to tell a VW fanatic anything, just the point 
> I am trying to make.
> " HI, I AM A VW OWNER, DONT CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS, LET ME TELL YOU
> ABOUT MY GTI."
> 
> 
> A FRIEND OF MINE HAS 5 RABBITS INCLUDING A GTI. THEY ARE ALL CRAP.
> 
> >Then why did he buy 5?  Tell us, please!  And next time, lay off
> >the CapsLock key!
> 
> Glad to tell you why he bought 5. He bought his first one as a commuter
> car, for gas mileage, the others for parts cars cuz the first falls apart.
> he sold the GTI 3 months after he bought it, the guy he sold it to tried
> to sell it AGAIN the next day. Is there something wrong here? He now has
> a R5 turbo II  ( real sports GT) and is trying to figure out how to get rid
> of all his rabbit droppings. Yet he still maintains rabbits are ok. What
> brain washing VW has done. Just another fanatic. VW it's a cult we can
> live without.
> 
> >				   \tom haapanen
> >				   watmath!watrose!haapanen
> 
> 
> chuck gerarden
> 
> ihnp4!drutx!druhi!vuser
Does his R5 corner on it's door handles like all French Crap?
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