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From: gti@ihlpm.UUCP (Phelps)
Newsgroups: net.auto
Subject: Re: first impressions: mustang GT
Message-ID: <703@ihlpm.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 12-Feb-86 15:23:15 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb 12 15:23:15 1986
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> 
> >I thought my reply to the original Mustang posting was reasonable --
> >am I alone in thinking this?  And I thought stuff like Chuck's reply
> >went away with net.flame!
> 
> in reply to:
> 
> >Message-ID: <7812@watrose.UUCP>
> >Reply-To: tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen)
> 
> 
> net.flame went away, but I have not. It makes me sick to see vw fanatics
> cluttering up the net with the diatribe on the merits of owning a VW.
> These fanatics think that vw's are sports cars. The rabbit started out
> as an economy car, they put flashy interiors in it (more weight), wider
> tires, renamed it, a little more power, and TA-DA call it a sports car.
> Remember YOU are the one comparing it to a mustang GT. I dare say that on
> a real (road racing)track the GT would blow the rabbit off. please don't
> feed me shit about "what the magazine says" . Go ahead convince me that
> a front wheel drive car corners well, a GTI can't even keep it rear inside
> wheel on the road when going around corners quickly. I have driven both
> the GTI and rabbit on a track and the understeer is so bad that the speed
> of the car drops significantly. just try and slide in/drift out of a corner.
> Keeping the wheels on the road is important. 
> 
> I love their new commercial, GTI's jumping over hills and bouncing all
> over the highway. This must be the natural state of the GTI , wheels
> in the air. It seems VW of america concurs.
> 
> 
> >In article <232@druhi.UUCP> vuser@druhi.UUCP (GerardenC) writes:
> 
> 
> >Oh.  We *paid* $8800 (Cdn $12500) for the GTI.  Most new GTIs at the
> >dealers only have a sunroof.
> 
> I am reporting what the dealers are asking in this area, Of course the
> more the dealers ask the more a vw fanatic wants one of these bricks on
> wheels . The dealer actually EXPECTED me to be excited when I picked up
> my rabbit. He has been dealing with people like you to long. The one
> and only reason to buy a rabbit is gas mileage. remember it is still
> built in america. The vw's built in europe are not the same as the ones
> built in the US. reliability is no better than a pinto.
> 
> 
> >Two 6'1" adults sit comfortably in the
> >back seat of the GTI.
> 
> >Chuck, I invite you to try the back seat in a new Golf, Jetta or GTI.
> >The choice is yours --- in one piece or in a trash bag.  I'm 6'1" and
> >I can sit comfortably in the back.
> 
> You must have a size 3 shoe. Or do you just hang your feet out where the
> floor pans usually rust through?
> 
> >The GTI is very controllable on the limits.  The Pirelli P600's
> >>ONLY BECAUSE THE LIMITS ARE SO LOW 
> 
> >Once again, the supreme self-confidence of pure ignorance shines through.
> 
> Once again, Another fanatic buys the biased horse shit that gets published
> in C&D or R&T. I will be in Montreal for the GP  I plan on driving my Lotus,
> should we see how FANTASTIC your GTI is? Its not a car its just a VW.
> 
> 
> >>With my superior traction and lighter car...
> >
> >WORK OUT THE MATH
> 
> I'm getting my Bachelor of Mathematics in three months.  I think I'm
> capable of basic mathematics.
> 
> I see, If we are to believe magazines then the ~2500 lb GTI at ~105 hp
> with a high .CD will outperform a mustang GT at ~3200 lbs ,>200hp with a
> lower .CD and of course better tires. please enlighten me.
> 
> >PROVIDED YOU COULD KEEP THE THING ON THE ROAD ?
> >DUE TO UNEQUAL DRIVESHAFT LENGTH THE TORQUE STEER ON RABBITS MAKE THEM
> >VERY UNSTABLE. 
> 
> >The driveshafts are of practically equal lengths on the new GTI, Golf
> >and GTI.  Not much torque steer.
> 
> not that you would notice now that the car is larger and heavier.
> 
> YOU SEEM TO BE INTO READING FIGURES AND NOT DRIVING. AS THE OWNER
> OF A VW RABBIT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT IS THE WORST CAR I HAVE EVER OWNED.
> 
> >I have driven the new GTI extensively.  Sounds like you haven't even
> >seen one.  How could you possibly tell me that you know more about it
> >than I do?
> 
> I could never presume to tell a VW fanatic anything, just the point 
> I am trying to make.
> " HI, I AM A VW OWNER, DONT CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS, LET ME TELL YOU
> ABOUT MY GTI."
> 
> 
> A FRIEND OF MINE HAS 5 RABBITS INCLUDING A GTI. THEY ARE ALL CRAP.
> 
> >Then why did he buy 5?  Tell us, please!  And next time, lay off
> >the CapsLock key!
> 
> Glad to tell you why he bought 5. He bought his first one as a commuter
> car, for gas mileage, the others for parts cars cuz the first falls apart.
> he sold the GTI 3 months after he bought it, the guy he sold it to tried
> to sell it AGAIN the next day. Is there something wrong here? He now has
> a R5 turbo II  ( real sports GT) and is trying to figure out how to get rid
> of all his rabbit droppings. Yet he still maintains rabbits are ok. What
> brain washing VW has done. Just another fanatic. VW it's a cult we can
> live without.
> 
> >				   \tom haapanen
> >				   watmath!watrose!haapanen
> 
> 
> chuck gerarden
> 
> ihnp4!drutx!druhi!vuser
All you anti GTI people out there would not know a decent car if it
ran you over. Take your gold chains and pinky rings and go home to
your ugly whatever. Just stay the hell out the left lane with your
Olds 98!