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From: ths@lanl.ARPA (Ted Spitzmiller)
Newsgroups: net.aviation
Subject: Re: IFR procedure questions
Message-ID: <1011@lanl.ARPA>
Date: Wed, 12-Feb-86 10:42:55 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb 12 10:42:55 1986
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> A friend of mine just completed a (successful) IFR check ride.
> However, the inspector strongly corrected him on a few procedures,
> and I wonder if anyone has any comments on the corrections.
> 
> 1) The inspector crossed out all hours that my friend had logged
>    as PIC while receiving instrument instruction. As per the recent
>    discussion here, I thought any time the instruction took place
>    in VFR conditions, both the instructor and my friend could log PIC
>    time.

I would strongly advise that you NEVER allow anyone to "crossout" anything
in your logbook unless the issue has been settled by a thorough investigation.
This issue of PIC time has been settled at least 5 times in the past few
years.  Fortunately for your friend, he didn't NEED the time that was being
disallowed.  But the instructor should ALWAYS contact the examiner to
discuss any possible issues BEFORE the student arrives.  The bottom line
is that you can log any time during as PIC anytime you are sole
> 
> 2) The inspector pointed out that you should not report "procedure turn
>    inbound"  until you are established on the final approach course.
>    This sounds correct. Can anyone cite a reference? Or any controllers
>    care to comment on where you expect a pilot to be when he/she tells
>    you "procedure turn inbound"?

You may report "PT inbound" when the CDI begins movement off the peg,
indicating that you are within 10 degrees of the final approach course
and intercepting.  You can also start your descent to the published
altitude shown on the approach plate.

Ted Spitzmiller