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From: gt@umich.UUCP (Gus Teschke)
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Trash Student Government?
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Date: Sat, 1-Feb-86 14:32:21 EST
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In <1347@sdcsvax.UUCP>, cs195@sdcsvax.UUCP (Roger Bly) writes:

>You liberals make me laugh!

A great start:  try to dismiss my posting as obsolete liberalism.
Sorry, I'm not a liberal.

>All you you talk about are the supposed evils of the Reagan/Bush and 
>El Salvador.  

First, you can't dismiss as "supposed evils" these acts of Reagan/Bush:
	- organizing and funding terrorists in Nicaragua
	- support of a government that rules by death squad and bombing, i.e.
	  El Salvador
	- mining Nicaragua's harbors
	- supporting dictators (Philipines, Chile, etc.) as long as they 
	  favor US policy
	- withdrawing from the World Court, and thus from rule of law, rather
	  than lose a case to Nicaragua over Nicaragua's right be free of
	  U.S. govermnment financed attacks.
	- etc.
Apparently you don't think they are real or even if real, that they aren't 
worth anyone's concern? Many reliable sources have documented these criminal 
policies.  But no one can force you to acknowledge them.

Second, you hint at other topics that I am ignoring, and attempt to
dismiss my points by portraying me as a crank who only wants to tear
down the U.S. government.  Not so.  I'm a citizen of the U.S., and have
a say (somewhat small) in what the currently elected government does.
I have no say in Poland's, Uganda's, or South Africa's affairs.  I
think the principles the U.S. was founded on are worth strengthening,
and really need it just now.  So MY government had better behave, or
I'll express my opposition.  I'll use my influence in student
government (this IS net.college) to advance basic U.S. principles like
the right to self-determination.

>This Administration has done more good for this country than any in
>the  past  two decades, and I don't think it has been at the
>expense of your "human values" either.  Your  general  atti-
>tude  in  the  above article implies a significant misunder-
>standing on your part.

Where is the significant misunderstanding?  What do you call driving
the national debt to over $2 trillion, routine deficts of $200 million,
"heroically" stomping on Grenada, and ignoring the principles in the
Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights?  Good for the country?

>I try hard to keep an "open mind", but  have  problems  with
>such  "cry-baby"  thinking.   

So now you say I think like a cry-baby.  Were you ever on a debate
team?  I'm glad you put "open mind" in quotes.  How is addressing
important issues cry-baby?

>I  am  relieved that I chose a University with a right-wing majority
>(in fact we are  proud of having very few liberals here), but we
>certainly let  our liberal brothers hold their demonstrations,  have
>speakers, etc.  with  out  wasting  our time on pointless heckling and
>harrassment.

What do you call your response if not pointless heckling and harassment?
What do I care if you are a trendy neo-conservative who has Yet Another
Review wasting paper?  If it's anything like the Michigan Review, 
it's just more name-calling, confusion, and pettiness.

Perhaps your ideas can only survive in an atmosphere of uniform,
uncritical acceptance.  Part of a university's role in society is to
criticize that society and its government, an open forum.  Student 
government can, and I think, should participate in this.  I think
that attempting to shout down a Vice-President can be justified.  But
this posting is already too long.

>I'm certain Mr. Bush is a god, and  the  next  president  of
>these tremendously supreme United States of America.
>				Roger Bly
>				University of Calif. at San Diego
>				home of the "California Review"

This is parody, right?  1930's Germany?  Or just pointless harassment?
Where's the CONTENT, Bly?

						Gus Teschke
						U of Michigan
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