Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!brahms!weemba From: weemba@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Matthew P. Wiener) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.crypt Subject: ENIGMA and the Eastern Front Message-ID: <11788@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 10-Feb-86 22:00:41 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.11788 Posted: Mon Feb 10 22:00:41 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 12-Feb-86 00:42:37 EST References: <1245@pucc-i> <.UUCP> <@.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: weemba@brahms.UUCP (Matthew P. Wiener) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 26 Xref: lsuc net.politics:3233 net.crypt:77 >>>I claim cryptography was the key factor. >>We were discussing the Eastern Front. As far as I've heard, >>cryptography played no role there. Since I think the Western >How about the fact that information which was gained vi ULTRA >and passed to the Soviets (without their knowing it came through >cryptography of course) played a key role in the Soviet plan for >encirclement of German forces at Stalingrad? And in allowing >the Soviets to block von Manstein's relief attempt? What about >the fact that plans for the German offensive at Kursk were >known to the Soviets (due to intercepts which were passed >to them again), which allowed them to prepare a defensive >zone a hundred miles deep, which broke the force of the >German attack, and to prepare a counterblow from which >the Germans never recovered? > >You know of course that information from ULTRA was passed >to the Soviets throughout the campaign on the Eastern Front. >And played a vital role in many respects ... Well, Tom, you may win yet. Just give us some references! I must admit I am *very* surprised. I find it hard to believe the US/UK would want Stalin to know how good our intelligence was. It was a delicate issue just sharing Enigma intercepts with the US! ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720