Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/3/84; site panda.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!rep From: rep@panda.UUCP (Pete Peterson) Newsgroups: net.cycle Subject: Re: The Backwards Bike Message-ID: <1354@panda.UUCP> Date: Wed, 29-Jan-86 07:57:15 EST Article-I.D.: panda.1354 Posted: Wed Jan 29 07:57:15 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Feb-86 01:52:10 EST References: <3007@vax4.fluke.UUCP> <756@athena.UUCP> <63@fai.UUCP> <577@amiga.amiga.UUCP> <687@ttrdc.UUCP> Reply-To: rep@panda.UUCP (Pete Peterson) Distribution: net Organization: GenRad, Inc., Concord, Mass. Lines: 30 Summary: In article <687@ttrdc.UUCP> levy@ttrdc.UUCP (Daniel R. Levy) writes: >In article <577@amiga.amiga.UUCP>, jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) writes: >>I am sure I once read an article on some study being made to determine why >>bicycles are stable. They tried everything, including teeny front >>wheel, backwards bend in the front fork (which was used to _increase_ >>stability in early bicycle speed record runs (+100mph)), counter-rotating >>dummy front wheel, and so on. None decreased the stability markedly (they >>could draw no conclusions on the teeny front wheel idea, since the caster >>they used would burn up). >> > >Bicycles, motorcycles, unicycles stay up because the rotating wheels are >in effect gyroscopes. They resist any attempt to push them directly >sideways. I thought this was common knowledge.... > I read the article mentioned by Jim Mackraz and remember that the authors found that it was NOT the gyroscope effect that made the bicycle stable. They made bicycles with counter-rotating wheels to cancel gyroscopic effects and found that the bicycles were still quite stable. The fascinating thing about that study was that they found it extremely difficult to make a really unstable bicycle. My recollection is that the stability on a bicycle/motorcycle resulted from the fact that tilting the cycle caused the front wheel to turn in a dir- ection to correct the tilt and right the cycle. Both bicycles and motorcycles are quite stable at very slow speeds where one wouldn't expect much gyroscopic effect. Unicycles are another matter. I believe they are kept upright by supernatural powers of the rider! pete peterson