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Subject: Re: Is this company breaking the law wit
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Date: Fri, 31-Jan-86 14:43:00 EST
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/* Written  5:56 pm  Jan 29, 1986 by scottp@tekig4 in gypsy:net.jobs */

>Have you ever heard of the United States Army?  40 hours is hardly what
>they expect (although one might argue that the army is 0 hours of work
>and all the other hours of putting up with ********).  The army does not
>require your knowledge to send you somewhere.  Also, if you have ever heard
>an army recruiter (no, not all recruiters, just the ones I was dumb enough
>to listen to), you know that verbal lies dont bother the conscience of them
>as long as they get their quota.  And they are telling them to primarily
>young (age 17-19) folks (cant get much less experienced than that).  It's
>not that I'm against the army, I just enjoy drawing the analogy.  What's worse
>is that you (and I) are paying for them to do this.  Oh well.......

NOT (meant to be) A FLAME...

The Army is recognized, by law, as a special case.  But, a few notes are in
order anyway.  The Army gives everyone (from the recruit to the Chief of 
Staff) 30 days paid vacation.  In addition, most units recognize the notion
of Compensatory Time.  Additionally, most units wind down, and work half days
from about 20 DEC through 3 JAN.  I guess I averaged 8-9 hour days when I
was on Active Duty.  The additional time comes in when you go to the field,
when you spend 24 hours/day 'on the job'.  

The Army tells you to get all promises in writing.  This is sage advice for
any situation.  If the Army cannot meet your employment contract, you can
get out.  On the other hand, the needs of the Army must come first.  (Would
you really want it any other way?)

My experience with the Army was that the hours you worked weren't bad at all,
when taken as a whole.  But I did have problems with the personnel system, 
that persisted in pounding square pegs in round holes.  This is part of any
large organization; but it's more obvious in the Army.

				Dave Emery
				CPT, FA. Army Reserve
				Siemens Research
		   ...princeton!siemens!emery