Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 alpha 4/15/85; site kestrel.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!glacier!kestrel!ladkin From: ladkin@kestrel.ARPA Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Relative Number Theory Message-ID: <4516@kestrel.ARPA> Date: Mon, 3-Feb-86 15:42:34 EST Article-I.D.: kestrel.4516 Posted: Mon Feb 3 15:42:34 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 5-Feb-86 01:43:11 EST References: <2314@umcp-cs.UUCP> <2232@pyuxd.UUCP> <2393@umcp-cs.UUCP> <1079@mmintl.UUCP> Organization: Kestrel Institute, Palo Alto, CA Lines: 18 (adams) >The question I don't know the answer to is the following: is there any >closed number-theoretic formula X, such that neither X nor not X is provable >in the system N(a) for any computable ordinal a? What is N(a)? It can't be Peano Arithmetic relativised to a, since the induction axiom is false if a isn't omega. There are non-standard models of PA but they're not well-founded, and a is supposed to be an ordinal. It is also no longer true that every number except 0 has a predecessor, when there are limit ordinals in the domain. If the ordinal's computable, then there's a notation for it embedded in PA ( a recursive function coding the well-order), which would mean that, whatever N(a) might be, it seems to have the same proof theory as N ? I'm running out of guesses. Peter Ladkin