Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!amdcad!lll-crg!caip!daemon From: mwm%ucbopal@BERKELEY.EDU@caip.RUTGERS.EDU Newsgroups: net.micro.amiga Subject: Re: Amiga OS (vs Unix) Liscencing? Message-ID: <1270@caip.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Wed, 12-Feb-86 22:23:01 EST Article-I.D.: caip.1270 Posted: Wed Feb 12 22:23:01 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Feb-86 06:04:18 EST Sender: daemon@caip.RUTGERS.EDU Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 49 From: Mike (I'll be mellow when I'm dead) Meyer Jim Omura (lsuc!jimomura ?) Makes a few questionable statemens: > Now we're getting to the crux of the problem. If "Intuition" is >only "as good as" OS-9 or anything else, or at best can become an >OS of this level, then Commodore (and Atari) have really done a >disservice to the 68000 world. The *last* thing we needed was >another wheel reinvented. To be excusable, I have to say that >TriPOS must be shown to be *better* than OS-9. It clearly isn't. No, but it isn't clear that OS-9 is superior to TRIPOS, either. What is clear is that OS-9 inherited at least one of Unix's fundamental flaws, whereas TRIPOS didn't. In other words, it *could* be better than OS-9, given a little development time. Actually, if you're a hacker, it already is. I can do stackable line disciplines in TRIPOS. Can I do them in OS-9? There are probably other, similar things that I haven't found yet. >At this time OS-9 has become essentially a standard for small systems based >on 68K's. Can I get OS-9 for Stride? Pinnacle? the Tandy 68K box? Compupro 68K systems? I don't think so (unless it's from second-party vendors), but TRIPOS runs on both the Stride and the Pinnacle. Anyone know if carefully-written (i.e., avoiding the windowing/graphics software) code will run on TRIPOS? Along the same lines, what kind of windowing/graphics standard exists for OS/9-68K. Don't complain about Amiga having chosen a non-US OS for their box. TRIPOS does have a following (which I was happy to find out; TRIPOS has always seemed like to nice an OS to die), it's just not as visible as OS-9, being mostly in Britian. They didn't raise a new "non-standard", they just chose one you weren't familiar with. >There are times and ways to break new ground--to advance the state of the art. You're right, and I think this is one of them. It's time to outgrow Unix and it's look-alikes. OS-9 presents lots of interesting improvements over Unix's of the early 80's (most of which are now in system V, except for the much better speed), and MicroWare is to be congratulated for helping spread the word about such things. AmigaDOS presents lots of interesting improvements over Unix's today. It *isn't* useable as a replacement for either Unix or OS-9 in many places where they are used. But it makes some good ideas visible to the world, (we're talking about them, aren't we?), and is to be applauded for doing so.