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From: mazlack@ernie.BERKELEY.EDU (Lawrence J. &)
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Subject: Re: Free $80 Inside Macintosh(TM)!
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Date: Sat, 25-Jan-86 01:18:53 EST
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>>.....................................  (I consider the Lisa 1/2/XL
>>to Mac Plus upgrade path another sign of good faith).
>>
>>	Joel West	 	(619) 457-9681
>
>I haven't heard about such a Lisa to Mac Plus upgrade.  What are the details
>(read prices) of such?
>
>-----
>Peter Korn	korn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU     {dual,dscvax,sdcsvax}!ucbvax!korn

I don't have the details here.  It was posted earlier to the net.  Basically,
Apple takes you Lisa and $1500 and gives you a Mac+ with HD20.

You have to do this sometime before August (I think).

As an owner of two Lisas, I hardly think that this is a "sign of good faith"

  (a) Most Lisa owners are already running 1 Meg+ machines.  So, memory wise,
      there is no gain.

  (b) You would appear to be s... out of luck if you want to run any software
      developed to run under the Lisa operating system. (OK if you did it
      under Mac Works).

  (c) The 20 Meg hard disk initially sounds appealing.  However, I suspect
      that most Lisa owners currently own 5 or 10 Meg Profiles or third
      party hard drives.  So, the HD20 is nice, but what to do with the
      Profiles that all ready give good service?

  (d) Hard disk file managers for the Lisas with Profiles are good, while
      the HD20 appears not to be so wonderful.  Also, I haven't seen timing
      comparisons between them.

  (e) If you would want to develop software, you would also be out of luck.
      Last I heard, Apple's development package is still some way off.

I will agree that the new chips are appealing. However, without the 68020
upgrade, I'm not sure that we are talking about any quantum leap in
performance - but, I've been wrong before.  This appears to be all that you
get for your $1500.  I'm not sure that the gains of getting the Mac+ net out
positive over keeping an existing Lisa.  I am a lot more doubtful that the
gains are worth the money.