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From: mouse@mcgill-vision.UUCP (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: net.music.folk,net.nlang
Subject: Translations rhyming (orig Re: Welsh song)
Message-ID: <355@mcgill-vision.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 27-Jan-86 05:43:15 EST
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Posted: Mon Jan 27 05:43:15 1986
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[ folksong, mostly English with Welsh line ]
[ translation requested / provided. ]
[ for net.nlang readers: originally from net.music.folk ]

> We are guessing but think that your words too are
> an English version written to fit to the music.
> They also rhyme!! Which a true translation probably
> would not.

     Hate  to disappoint  you on this point but  I  must  disagree.  For
example, I saw  (Hofstadter's Godel, Escher,  Bach) something called the
English French  German  Suite, which  was a translation  of  Jabberwocky
(from Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass) into French and German.
For those  who do not  know, this is a mostly  nonsense poem  with  many
invented words.   The translation is (to me, who knows little French and
next to no German) very good, especially  considering  the magnitude  of
the task.

     To get  to the point, both the French and German  versions scan and
rhyme; which is of course the point of a real translation (as opposed to
a transliteration) -- create the same effect in the other language.

     I've  tried  to redirect  followups  to  net.nlang, since  this  is
getting inappropriate for net.music.folk.
-- 
					der Mouse

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