Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site hound.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!hound!rwsh From: rwsh@hound.UUCP (R.STUBBLEFIELD) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Brief Notes on Reason, Force, and Rights Message-ID: <1637@hound.UUCP> Date: Sun, 2-Feb-86 23:41:17 EST Article-I.D.: hound.1637 Posted: Sun Feb 2 23:41:17 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Feb-86 22:02:11 EST Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 37 Reason, Force, and Rights--Brief Points I agree with Tim Sevener that one's view of the nature of reason affects "the whole of one's later conclusions." My view of reason as an attribute of the individual is consistent with my ethics of rational self-interest and a political system to protect individual rights. His view of reason as a process of a collective is consistent with an ethics where the parts must sacrifice for the whole and a political system to force such sacrifice. Tim's view is, of course, distorted: in principle, his view is that he has no view--only society does. Since Tim is wrong on the nature of reason and since force and reason are opposites in social interaction, it is no surprise that his thoughts on rights (which can only be violated by force) are confused. A right is not a philosophical primary but a "moral principle defining and sanctioning a man's freedom of action in a social context." [p. 93, "Man's Rights," by Ayn Rand in *The Virtue of Selfishness*.] Tim's example (claiming that property rights justify the owner of an island forcing shipwrecked survivors back into the sea) and all similar examples attack those whose *starting point* is the "non-coercion principle." Both sides of that argument are guilty of flagrant context dropping. One side tries to uphold non-coercion as a principle in a context where it is irrelevant and the other argues that since it cannot hold in that context it does not apply anywhere. In a deep sense both sides are subjective. But showing this depends on, among other things, my demonstrating an objective moral code. And if the progress I've made explaining reason and force is any indication, that's a long way off. (If you can't wait, read Ayn Rand's "Objectivist Ethics" essay. If you have already read it, I suggest rereading it more slowly and marking the points you disagree with. When you are done, take your most fundamental disagreement and post a note identifying the facts of reality that support your view.) -- Bob Stubblefield ihnp4!hound!rwsh 201-949-2846