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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: net.rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude Models
Message-ID: <471@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: Sun, 2-Feb-86 14:25:53 EST
Article-I.D.: hoptoad.471
Posted: Sun Feb  2 14:25:53 1986
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Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
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In article <80@ubc-vision.UUCP> majka@ubc-vision.UUCP (Marc Majka) writes:
>         ...I was objecting to what I see as exploitive and degrading, not
>to someone posing in the nude.  In my judgement, there is a difference in
>kind between an art class and "swank" magazine.

Yes, there's the rub.  ``In *your* judgement''.  ``What *I* see''. But other
people find nude beaches exploitive and degrading.  And other people don't
find SWANK magazine degrading.  Now, maybe I missed something here, but I
thought the whole focus of ``the Naturalist movement'' was ``we're here
voluntarily, we're free people, leave us alone to do what we want''. Now I
am getting a hint of ``we are morally superior people, we have better attitudes
than those repressed prudes, and a much better attitude than those who read
or pose for filthy magazines''.  

If the second position is closer to the Naturalist philosophy, then somebody
had better set the record straight. There are a whole lot of 
libertarians and rational anarchists who are buying into it because they
believe in the first position -- and to use them to further the second
position is pretty foul.  I hadn't considered the possibility that I was
being used last time I posted, and thought that you were being terribly
inconsistent, which is why I accused you of sitting on the fence.

Now, it would be stupid of me to take Marc Majka's personal position as the
official position of the Naturalist movement without checking it out further.
What do the rest of you think?  And are there any official positions I
could look up?  
-- 
Laura Creighton		
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