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From: craig@ozone.DEC (plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose)
Newsgroups: net.rec.nude
Subject: Nude photography (scam revealed)
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Date: Wed, 5-Feb-86 10:21:26 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb  5 10:21:26 1986
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 Bill Dippert of Tektronix writes:
 
> I love it, I love it.  
> As the original poster of the "ad" may I say that..... you
> have all been had!  The posting was posted just to see what
> sort of reactions would be obtained. 

   This has got to be one of the most juvenile postings I've 
   ever come across.  The people who were responding did so 
   feeling that they were honestly answering someone who had 
   honestly posted their true feelings.  This sort of 
   deceit has *no* place on the Usenet in general, and in nude.rec in 
   particular.  One of the basic underlying assumptions about
   nude.rec and naturalism (in my opinion) is that openness and
   honesty are sorely lacking in this world, but that
   naturalists, by definition, have a special feeling and
   respect for veracity.  This is why I never worry about
   leaving my belongings on the beach at a nude beach, but keep
   a close eye on them at a non-clothing-optional beach. 
   
> Good questions have come up also about what are the feelings
> of persons on a clothes optional beach when someone shows up
> with a camera vs individual rights vs first amendment
> rights, etc. 
 
   You're absolutely right, there have been some good questions 
   about how people feel about cameras, or at a deeper level, 
   about "peeping toms" coming around a nude beach and getting 
   their rocks off looking at nude men and women.  I think you 
   might have gotten good responses also by honestly inquiring 
   about how others feel about this sort of situation.

> ...I suggest that the discussions continue, as
> there obviously are some strong feelings over the subject of
> nude modeling ... I find the contradiction in when
> nudity to be obscene or indecent to be hilarious coming from
> a group of supposedly nudist (naturalists). 

   And I find the contradiction in your eliciting
   people's true attitudes by misleading them offensive.  The
   people who were flamed at for having no class have
   nothing to be ashamed of ... they were honestly expressing
   their opinions.  You, on the other hand, have a lot to be
   ashamed of, by perpetrating this juvenile prank on them,
   and the other readers of nude.rec. 

                                                Bob Craig
                                                Medical Systems Group
                                                Digital Equip. Corp.
                                                Marlboro, Ma.
                                                decwrl!ozone!craig