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From: dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman)
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Subject: Re: ten tal u'matar
Message-ID: <1089@lsuc.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 30-Jan-86 12:09:01 EST
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Posted: Thu Jan 30 12:09:01 1986
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Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto
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Summary: posting of mail from Warren Burstein


I received the following by mail. I think it's interesting
enough to post, and do so with the writer's permission:

> From: pesnta!phri!pluto!warren (Warren Burstein)
> Subject: Re: Re: ten tal u'matar
> In-Reply-To: your article <1057@lsuc.UUCP>
> 
> Crossovers between those living in/out of Israel is a complicated
> issue.  The basic principle for the second day of Yom Tov is that you
> keep the minhag of where you live, even if you're where the minhag is
> different.  The problems are in determining where halacha considers
> you to live.  The sources are Orach Chayyim 496:3 (see Mishne Brurah
> 13, which permits Israelis living outside the land to do work in
> private if they intend to return - the mechaber requires that they
> keep the second day as soon as they reach a settled area in chutz
> la'aretz.) and 468:4 which discusses a similar issue of local
> minhagim.
> 
> If you ask a Rabbi for a particular ruling it will be based on how
> what he considers "intent to return".  I have heard of students
> in a yeshiva in Israel keeping only one day on the assumption that they
> will eventually return to live in Israel (on the ruling of the rosh
> yeshiva) while other Rabbis have told unmarried women who are fully
> resident in Israel to keep two days because "you never know, they
> might meet someone from chutz-la'aretz and get married..."
> 
> Israelis in chu"l definitely must observe the second day in public, as
> you observed.  On the other hand they have to put on t'fillin and say
> the prayers of chol, again in private.
> 
> Here's another twist - a friend is temporarily living in Israel so he
> keeps both days.  He can't sell his chametz in Israel because it would
> get sold back to him on the Israeli rabbi's Isru Chag which is his
> eigth day of Pesach (even if he kept one day he would get it back
> seven hours too soon) while he can't sell it here because by the time
> the Rabbi here gets around to sell it, it's already Pesach in Israel.
> This is assuming that you can't own chametz if either you or the
> chametz are in a time zone where it's Pesach.

> Warren Burstein

(Posted by Dave Sherman)
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