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From: freak@nsc.UUCP (Curt Mayer)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: Titles
Message-ID: <3407@nsc.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 5-Feb-86 01:49:51 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb  5 01:49:51 1986
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Reply-To: freak@nsc.UUCP (Curt Mayer)
Organization: The Zen Room
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Keywords: Computer Science, Bullshit about degrees

In article <4514@kestrel.ARPA> ladkin@kestrel.ARPA writes:
>In article <461@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
>> The reason is simple.  It is a lot easier to get a csc degree than it is to
>> be a good programmer.  And anybody can get a csc degree on the basis of a
>> piece of university wallpaper.  If you don't have the wallpaper, then you
>> must have received your job for some other reason -- and unless it is because
>> your father is the president of the company, any reason that a company would
>> choose to hand you money is a reason why I would probably like you.

>I teach lots of people who are professional programmers, getting CS degrees. 
>It would be contrary to my experience to assume that professional programmers
>without CS degrees are likely to be better programmers.
>
>Suggesting that CS degrees aren't worth much to programmers is just plain
>silly. There is `science' in Computer Science, not just coding.
>
>Peter Ladkin

It has been my experience that CS professors haven't the foggiest idea what
the industry needs.
I have seen to many 'Instant' CS degree programmers who need a year or so
of ramp up time in a programming job before they even produce line 1 of
useable, production quality code.
A random hacker grade programmer of high school age is worth 5 brand new
CS degree-oids.
Note that ALL the awesomely hot programmers I know do not have degrees.

	curt