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From: bandy@lll-crg.ARpA (Andrew Scott Beals)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: Titles
Message-ID: <1235@lll-crg.ARpA>
Date: Thu, 6-Feb-86 18:14:12 EST
Article-I.D.: lll-crg.1235
Posted: Thu Feb  6 18:14:12 1986
Date-Received: Sun, 9-Feb-86 05:45:47 EST
References: <4514@kestrel.ARPA> <3407@nsc.UUCP> <4588@kestrel.ARPA>
Reply-To: bandy@lll-crg.UUCP (Andrew Scott Beals)
Organization: Computation Research Group, Lawrence Livermore Labs
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In article <4588@kestrel.ARPA> ladkin@kestrel.ARPA writes:
>In article <3407@nsc.UUCP>, freak@nsc.UUCP (Curt Mayer) writes:
>> It has been my experience that CS professors haven't the foggiest idea what
>> the industry needs. [...]
>> A random hacker grade programmer of high school age is worth 5 brand new
>> CS degree-oids.
>> Note that ALL the awesomely hot programmers I know do not have degrees.
>
>I don't know whether this is a joke or not.

Oh, he's completely serious.

>It is silly, but not very funny. It gives people the misleading
>impression that you can get far in computer science without anything
>but coding talent. 

What is even funnier and not very silly at all is that there are a
large number of people who hold BSCS degrees who cannot "program
their way out of a wet paper bag". While this may not matter if they
go into academia, when they are competing for jobs with those of us
that are in the industry for the pure love of it. THIS causes a
problem. No, these "educated" people don't just come from little
backwater institutions, either.. These people also come from places
like MIT. (over 50% of graduating seniors (people getting 6.3s, not
out of everyone) two years ago couldn't program anything faster than
a bubble sort)
-- 
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andy beals - bandy@lll-crg.arpa - {seismo,ihnp4,qantel}!lll-crg!bandy