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Subject: Re: This, that, and the other thing.
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Date: Tue, 11-Feb-86 13:42:55 EST
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Posted: Tue Feb 11 13:42:55 1986
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Summary: 

In article <540@ism780c.UUCP> dianeh@ism780c.UUCP (Diane Holt) writes:

>... "Wouldn't the world
>be a nicer place if it was just filled with reasonable, loving women
>instead of those nasty, irrational, men?" ...
>there *are* those
>days when all attempts at communication fail, or when the possibility of
>*ever* being able to understand the male mind seems nonexistent, or when it
>seems that all the horrible, hateful, violent things being perpetrated on
>this world are being done by men ...

Yes, we have models of women in positions of national leadership and
influence demonstrating the inherent reasonable and loving nature of
women: leaders like Maggie "Iron Lady" Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Imelda 
Marcos, Marie Antoinette, Catherine the Great, Evita Peron, Mao's wife
(can't remember her name but I think there's a Z in it), Cleopatra ...

Don't kid yourself. Given the chance, women can be just as nasty and 
irrational as men.
 
>...  Fact: A woman went to the beach to relax
>and do some reading and work on her tan. Fact: While she was there she was
>approached by three men. Fact: When she told the men that she wasn't
>interested in doing anything but what she had originally gone to the beach
>for (i.e., she told them to go away), only one of them had the decency to
>believe that she *meant* what she said. 

Fine, there's a certain percentage of men who are inconsiderate,
insensitive boors. So what? What percentage of the men on the beach
approached this woman? What percentage of men on the beach would have
the decency to respond appropriately to the woman's request? Are you
implying SOME men act this way or MOST men act this way?

I've also had on occasion interactions with women who wouldn't take
"no" for an answer (one, a married woman, still sends me letters,
calls me on the phone, hangs around places I like to hang around and
then tries to put the make on me ...). Men don't have a corner on
insensitivity or obsessive behavior, my friend.

Many women have had bad experiences with men and have bad models
in general for male behavior. In my experience there are a LOT of
sensitive and decent men out there who would never dream of pushing
another human being in the fashion you describe. 

                           -- Cheers, Bill Ingogly