Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site decwrl.DEC.COM Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-chovax!alpert From: alpert@chovax.DEC Newsgroups: net.taxes Subject: Re: IRS abuses #1 Message-ID: <1002@decwrl.DEC.COM> Date: Sat, 8-Feb-86 00:33:35 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.1002 Posted: Sat Feb 8 00:33:35 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Feb-86 04:15:53 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.DEC.COM Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 63 [] >It's foolish to say the tax itself is unconstitutional. If you want to >say that some IRS methods may be unconstitutional, that's another matter. There are some interesting anomalies surrounding the 16th amendment. Some claim it was never properly ratified. We'll be taking a look at some of this information shortly. Also, as we saw in the Schiff articles, there are anomalies in the tax code itself regarding filing "requirements" and the persons actually made liable for the tax imposed. Possibly I should make my own position clear since I have been posting a variety of material. My primary concern is the vicious Gestapo-like tactics used by the IRS to intimidate and harass taxpayers. The idea that here in America citizens have to fear a government agency that can plunder at will, ignoring all rights and protections, is ludicrous. What does private property mean if the government can confiscate anything it wants at will, without so much as a hearing? How can anyone be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" if the IRS can at will take a fishing expedition through one's bank records and confiscate accounts, without so much as an explanation? >You mean FORMER congressman George Hansen, who left Congress in disgrace >after a number of shady financial deals, and who is now connected with >several extreme right-wing organizations. I don't believe a word the >man says. Here I must ask for more supporting data. What kind of shady financial deals? How was he disgraced? What are these "extreme right-wing" organizations? Has he been convicted of any crimes? Note that the IRS has engaged in "setting up" of public officials who attempt to do anything about the agency. This has been revealed not only in Hansen's and other books, but by former IRS agents. From what I can see, Hansen has done an admirable job of documenting many IRS abuses. The new edition of Hansen's book has just been released, it is twice as thick as the previous edition. >Please post references to legitimate media coverage of any of these >incidents: regular daily newspapers, news magazines, or wire services, >documentation from groups opposed to the income tax will not do. The "legitimate media" is very reluctant to get into heavy criticism of the IRS (though from what I am told the stories in the examples did receive some media attention at the time they occurred). I get my information from a number of sources, including my local A.C.T. group, various books and publications, and a Philadelphia radio station that frequently has victims of the IRS, former IRS agents, and others on the air. Thank you for your reply and interest. Bob Alpert DEC Software Services 6 Executive Campus, Rt. 70 Cherry Hill, NJ 08002 ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-chovax!alpert STANDARD DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed are my own.