Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ttrdc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!ltuxa!ttrdc!levy From: levy@ttrdc.UUCP (Daniel R. Levy) Newsgroups: net.taxes Subject: Re: Abuses of the IRS -- #1 Message-ID: <723@ttrdc.UUCP> Date: Sat, 8-Feb-86 23:55:59 EST Article-I.D.: ttrdc.723 Posted: Sat Feb 8 23:55:59 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Feb-86 06:09:39 EST References: <921@decwrl.DEC.COM> <137@epimass.UUCP> Organization: AT&T, Computer Systems Division, Skokie, IL Lines: 62 In article <137@epimass.UUCP>, jbuck@epimass.UUCP (Joe Buck) writes: >In article <921@decwrl.DEC.COM> alpert@chovax.DEC writes: >>There are basically two distinct (but related) issues addressed by >>the tax movement. Number one is the legality and constitutionality >>of the income tax itself. >The income tax is specifically authorized in an amendment to the Constitution. >It's foolish to say the tax itself is unconstitutional. If you want to >say that some IRS methods may be unconstitutional, that's another matter. >> Number two regards the illegal methods >>used by the government, particularly the IRS, during the course of >>enforcing this tax. In this article we will take a look at the >>way the IRS conducts its business. >>The examples herein are *NOT* isolated instances, these are typical >>of all too many cases documented by organisations that keep track of >>IRS activites. Also be forwarned that this is a long article -- more >>than 350 lines. >>The following is excerpted from the book "To Harass Our People", >>(c) 1984 by Congressman George Hansen. >You mean FORMER congressman George Hansen, who left Congress in disgrace >after a number of shady financial deals, and who is now connected with >several extreme right-wing organizations. I don't believe a word the >man says. >> [ IRS beats up citizens with billy clubs, threatens them with M-16's ] >Please post references to legitimate media coverage of any of these >incidents: regular daily newspapers, news magazines, or wire services, >documentation from groups opposed to the income tax will not do. >- Joe Buck >- ihnp4!pesnta!epimass!jbuck >or ihnp4!pesnta!epicen!jbuck But there is no such coverage, as the media wisely recognized that if it reported these incidents, it would be the next victim of IRS abuses, ain't that right, Mr. Alpert? :-) To make sure the devil gets his due: Of course I hear it's far from impossible that this CAN happen. Even Reader's Digress put out an article on this kind of abuse many, many years ago. ('60s) Perhaps a clue to this lies with another article, which states that the IRS is a member of the executive branch of the U.S. government, working as it does for the treasury, which means that conscienceless managers know that they CAN get away with this kind of murder, having in essence, many of the same powers as the President. Perhaps it would be wise to hire an attorney the instant there is any kind of disagreement with the IRS which shows the telltale signs of getting ugly (stonewalling, for instance, would be a clue based on the tales we've been shown). Then at least a court case could be forced, possibly forc- ing the IRS to put their hand on the table and to submit to an individual court decision. (I say individual since I've heard that the IRS has on occasion re- fused to follow a court ruling on tax policy in general, though it was forced to honor the ruling for the specific case in which it was brought. Anyone care to illuminate whether this is so?) -- ------------------------------- Disclaimer: The views contained herein are | dan levy | yvel nad | my own and are not at all those of my em- | an engihacker @ | ployer or the administrator of any computer | at&t computer systems division | upon which I may hack. | skokie, illinois | -------------------------------- Path: ..!{akgua,homxb,ihnp4,ltuxa,mvuxa, vax135}!ttrdc!levy