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From: devi@maisha.DEC (Gita L. Devi PKO1/D1  223-7046)
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Subject: Let's Keep This Discussion Going
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Date: Tue, 4-Feb-86 13:47:43 EST
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>I promise that my next posting will be a recipe!
 
Charles S. Geiger
wage slave
U. of Texas

Thanks for the recipe.  It's a good example of how cooking vegetarian does
not have to take lots of time.  (Karl Malik take note)
 
>>That "no-vegetarians" is meant to be "non-vegetarians."  If net.veg is
>>going to contain a discussion on the morality of meat eating, there
>>should at least be some cross-posting to net.misc, because many people
>>who might enjoy the discussion would not think of looking in net.veg,
>>because they would assume that net.veg is for those who are already
>>convinced that meat eating is not good.
 
>>I in no way meant to say that vegetarians don't have a right to express
>>whatever they want to express.  Sorry if I gave that impression.
-- 
Tim Smith       sdcrdcf!ism780c!tim || ima!ism780!tim || ihnp4!cithep!tim

How do you cross-post?  Is there a special moderator out there for the
net.misc?  
 
 
>>>First my own views: I consider it ethical for man to 
consume meat.  I object to the conditions under which livestock
and poultry are kept in this country.  (Were my objections
somewhat stronger, I might well be a vegetarian for that 
reason.)

You either have principles or you don't.  You can't be only half-pregnant, 
you know...  

>>>But what I *really* object to, quite strongly, is that small 
>>>minority of vegetarians who think that they are *better* than 
>>>people who eat meat, who view non-vegetarians as having lower 
>>>morals than themselves.

I don't think that you have lower morals than me.  I just think that you 
haven't really exercised your option as a human being.  

>>>I think this situation is unique to the U.S.
>>>From what I can see, in Great Britain vegetarians and
>>>non-vegetarians have much more mutual respect for each
>>>other.  George Bernard Shaw had strong ethical objections
>>>to eating meat.  But he didn't think the lesser of any
>>>of his meat-eating friends because of it.  

I think you'd better cite someone other than G.B.Shaw, as he was most
outspoken in his vegetarian beliefs, and never hesitated to say what he felt 
was right.  In fact, I'm quite certain than he managed to offend quite a few 
non-vegetarians in his day.  There's the story of Mr. Shaw's remarks made at 
a dinner, during which he loudly announced that at least he knew what his 
food had "died" from, and that what he was eating did not run away from the 
person trying to kill it.
 
>>>Claims that meat consumption is a waste of world food
resources are equally weak.  

Try telling that to the starving people in Ethiopia where they have stripped 
the land of vegetation because they switched from an agrarian diet to cattle 
grazing.  

Have you ever read DIET FOR A SMALL PLANET by Francis Moore Lappe?  You 
should.  It may open your eyes.

Prove your arguments to me.  I've got books that prove my arguments.  

>>>Since somebody brought it up: I too have strong objections
>>>to the killing of fur-bearing animals for their pelts.
>>>I think this is especially gross since fur coats are a 
>>>symbol of wealth and decadence.  

And eating meat isn't the highest symbol of wealth and decadence?  Please, 
look at what you're saying!  Man has logic, but he uses it to justify his 
desires.  What you've presented as a valid argument is, to me, merely 
illogical logic.
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I want to thank everyone who has written to me personally, or via the net.
veg supporting this type of discussion.  Expressing one's views helps us to 
clarify and strengthen, and perhaps change, the way we look at things.  

Let's keep it up.  And there's no reason to stop exchanging recipes, either. 
Being a vegetarian doesn't mean that you stop eating.  Quite the contrary. 

Just like Mr. Geiger, my next posting will be a recipe.


Gita Devi