Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: love-hounds digest Message-ID: <36@mit-eddie.UUCP> Date: Wed, 26-Feb-86 14:45:14 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.36 Posted: Wed Feb 26 14:45:14 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 28-Feb-86 03:10:35 EST Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 478 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Wednesday, February 26, 1986, 11:45 Today's Topics: Re: Love-Hounds Digest a nasty night Obscure cover version I'd like to see... Dreaming (not really...) Old and orphaned responses Stan Ridgeway?? (3 msgs) Rites of Spring Hair Style (2 msgs) YMG ; Spazz & Slop Funhouse Pazz & Jop Poll / Bragging British Music Industry Awards and Kate [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 06:36:05 est From: John Kitamura Subject: Re: Love-Hounds Digest Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson Although credited as co-composer, Daryl Hall isn't the vocalist on "Chicago". It is sung by the amazing Peter Hammil, of Van Der Graff Generator fame, and lately of the "K" Band. Hammil and Fripp have collaborated on several other projects (Two VDGG albums, "H to He, Who am the Only One", and "Pawn Hearts", and a couple solo Hammil albums (I think)). On exposure, Hammil also sings on "Disengage" and "I may not have had e..." Another interesting point; "Exposure" has been recently (end of last summer) re-released in Canada with a foldout cover. The tracks are listed as the same but there are noticeable differences in the songs. A different vocal track is used on "Disengage", the Frippertronics pieces are a lot longer (some by several minutes), and some of the between track conversations have been shortened. As for "Exposure" being a Crimson album, I have to agree. Most of the material was written while Crimson was still together (The Wetton/Bruford/ Cross line-up) and it sounds much more like Crimson than Fripp's later works. (But not the `new' Crimson - the Belew infested one). A postscript: For those of you who really enjoy the hard-edged material on "Exposure" and "Starless and Bible Black", and are Wayside Music corresponders, I heartily recommend the two "Bi Kyo Ran" albums that they are currently offering - a Japanese Crimson-cover band. Perhaps not the most inventive music ever recorded, but the guitarist/composer is a dead ringer for that era of Fripp. John Kitamura/ Univ of Toronto [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 8:08:22 EST From: Hofmann Subject: a nasty night A nasty night Yep, I dreamed last night that I bought that Fine Young Cannibals LP. What a nightmare! I woke up in a cold sweat only to find out that I hadn't woke at all! Surrounding my bed were these strange, skinny creatures with upright weedstalks in their hair ranting, "We Care! We Care Alot! - we care about our video, we care bout it alot! we care about our contract and the money we have got! we care about our single and if billboard thinks its hot. We care about a Grammy and that next lid of Pot! We Care! WE CARE ALOT!!" Aggghh! With my head in hands I ran downstairs only to be confronted by more skinny people with weedstalks in their hair...they had taken over while I was sleeping! The Jesus Marry Chain, the Creeping Walls, The 10,000 Maniacs!!! And there was nothing I could do except lock myself in my basement with my ghetto blaster... Whew... I was glad when I woke up to find it was only a dream, the attack of the poser punks... I gotta quit watching those Japanese movies and David Letterman... "Ohhh, mama, can you hear that blowing?" - Tex & the Horseheads [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 10:12:47 EST From: hsut@purdue-ecn.ARPA (Bill Hsu) Subject: Obscure cover version I'd like to see... Wouldn't this be a great single to introduce the general public to alternative music: Frank Sinatra sings Dirty Old Man (The Fugs) b/w I'm an old pervert (Soft Boys) :-) Or how about Laurie Anderson and William Burroughs doing Top 40 rap like J. Geils' Centerfold or Blondie's Rapture? William Burroughs, of course, will get to do all the spoken parts :-) Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 11:16:12 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu) Subject: Dreaming (not really...) C'mon, Jim, there're worse groups to dream of than Fine Young Cannibals! (Then again, I've only heard one of their songs, so...:-) Last time I dreamt about music it was Death Valley '69 by Sonic Youth... great song, but boy, it was a bad night... Has anyone heard of a group called Bolshoi? I heard their song "Fly" on the Beggars Banquet compilation and it had some interesting things in it. Apparently they have this mini LP out called Giants. Is it any good? "Brave men run in my family" Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] From: think!harvard!bu-cs!sam Date: Sat, 15 Feb 86 18:18:42 EST Subject: Old and orphaned responses > post 1977 (right Shelli??? Jesus Christ Superstar my foot (OUCH!) > thass hippy musak from the 60's or some other lame decade)... Oops, sorry...I was just being BORN in the late sixties... >> Zula: Next Year in Jerusalem >> (** The obvious alternative for Jews **) > You're not thinking of converting are you? And you really want to > brainwash the impending kids the *your* religion, don't you? Oooo...low blow, Doug! Just because not all of us are hedonistic pagans...! [Blessed be. --Doug] By the way..correction: it's Zola, not Zula. I know you'll all be rushing out to buy the album. Suzanne Vega, Left of Center: Yikes! How can you not like it, Susanne? I love it...but then again I like Madonna, so I suppose my opinion doesn't carry much weight... :-) [Well, I like it too, and I can't stand Madonna, so maybe that carries some weight. -- Doug] >> Do you ever wonder what your fellow Love-Hounders and net.music >> contributors look like? > Yeah, so I went and visited some of them. They always look totally > different than you expected. WHAT? You mean I wasn't as cute and charming as you expected???? [No, at least 52.7% more cute and charming than expected. But then liking Madonna is at least -31.8%... --Doug] Marillion: Are they the ones that do "Kayleigh"? [Yes --Doug] Great song, except for the chorus. Cute video, too. What's that other song of theirs? Other questions: I heard a song on WFNX (Boston) today that I loved, except I was in the shower and really didn't hear the DJ when he said who it was. I could've SWORN I heard the word "October". Does this ring a bell to anybody? What movie is "Left of Center" from? Question about somebody who's not really down our alley of conversation: Does Bob Dylan have a song called "Desolation Row"? And if so, what the heck IS Desolation Row referring to? If anybody wants, I can post the lyrics for somebody's wise interpretation. I really like the lyrics...I hope the song's as good. ------------ "When I first heard there were problems in the Middle East, I thought they were talking about Pittsburgh!" --Shelli [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 12:09:58 est From: bdmrrr!potomac!jsl@seismo.CSS.GOV (John Labovitz) Subject: Stan Ridgeway?? [This is also posted to net.music; sorry if you see it twice.] I was in my local record store the other day, and they were playing an album by a guy named Stan Ridgeway. Sort of poppish, but with strange lyrics (for some reason reminded me of a cross between Robyn Hitchcock and Tom Waits). The voice sounded a lot like the singer from Mission of Burma. Does anyone know anything about this guy? I'll probably go out and buy the album, but I'm just curious. John Labovitz ..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl -- I've got you under my skin where the rain can't get in And if the sweat pours out, just shout, I'll try to swim and haul you out. -- The The [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 12:13:27 est From: bdmrrr!potomac!jsl@seismo.CSS.GOV (John Labovitz) Subject: Rites of Spring Well, in case none of you have heard, one of the best hardcore bands in the world -- Rites of Spring -- have broken up. Mike Fellows, the bassist, decided to leave (for reasons unknown). Instead of trying to find a new bassist, the three remaining members (Guy, Eddie, and the drummer (whose name I can't remember right now)) are forming a new band. I don't know if they're going to have a bassist or not. We'll see. Buy Rites of Spring's record anyway (I think it's on Fountain of Youth Records). It's really good. John Labovitz ..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl -- I've got you under my skin where the rain can't get in And if the sweat pours out, just shout, I'll try to swim and haul you out. -- The The [][][][][][][][][][] From: Jeff Dalton Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 19:14:47 GMT Subject: Hair Style Not that this provers anything, but Kate had long hair on the BMI awards show. [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 11:35:05 pst From: ia-sun2!smeagol!gorbag!earle@csvax.caltech.edu (Greg Earle) Subject: YMG ; Spazz & Slop Young Marble Giants broke up a ways back (~1983, I believe?). Out of the ashes came The Gist (who had something on RT), and Weekend (Alison Stratton joined that one, I don't remember if the Moxham bros. were involved; a nagging suspicion sez yes, but Don't Quote Me On That). There was a Weekend LP on RT as well. As for now, ???? Sorry, no discography - I'm at work right now, not at home in front of the Archives. Re: Spazz and Slop Pole Yes, folks, another irrefutable piece of evidence in support of the All Music Critics Are Wankers theory ... Disclaimer: I am not now nor have I ever been a Music Critic; in any shape or form (i.e. writing for or to a periodical), unless you count posting to net.musack :@) :@) :@) "grege" [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Wed 19 Feb 86 14:09:47-PST From: Bob Knight Subject: Re: Stan Ridgeway?? Aaah. Stan Ridgeway, of the legendary Wall of Doo..., oops, Voodoo. Actually, I like Stan A LOT, he's real quirky, and has one hell of a sense (strange) of humor. I plan to snarf that sucker as soon as the weather clears up and all the geeks on the road get back to just being bad drivers instead of being scared homicidal maniacs... Bob ------- [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 17:31:16 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: Hair Style Kate is wearing a short-hair wig on the cover of Cloudbusting and in the Cloudbusting video. This is because she is playing the part of Peter Reich as a little boy. When I met her, she had her normal long hair, and it was quite real, I am sure. "Give me a head with hair Long beautiful hair!" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] From: genrad!decvax!utzoo!aesat!djm Date: Mon, 17 Feb 86 21:07:03 est Subject: Funhouse Since someone brought up the best record issue... "Funhouse" by Iggy Pop and the Stooges is the best record that can ever and will ever be made. I have a cassette with it on both sides so I don't have to rewind. [No, it isn't. "The Dreaming" is! The other side of my cassette is blank, so that I have time to recover. -- Doug] [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 15:48 MST From: "James J. Lippard" Subject: Re: Stan Ridgeway?? Reply-To: Lippard@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Stan Ridgeway used to be the singer for Wall of Voodoo, he worked on the soundtrack to the Coppola movie "Rumblefish" with Stuart Copeland of the Police. Jim (Lippard at MIT-MULTICS.ARPA) [][][][][][][][][][] was I would say). Even my close friend Pascal Languirand (aka Minos; aka TRANS-X) has traded in his noise generators, various sound modification devices and other interesting 'sounding' items for multiple layered MIDI overglorified rhythm boxes (with 127 part harmony), and an actual live performing band. What gives. Isn't anyone out there doing cosmic exploration anymore. With the current crop of multi-tracking devices (including the, gulp, midi stuff). You would think that we would have uncovered the essense of musical consciousness by now (of course I realize that we might have but Sylvester Stallone just couldn't understand it so it was forgotten). I would appreciate communicating with those overaged individuals who are interested in the music of the mind (not the echos thereof), those who maybe sometimes pull out there old Moog-10, Synthi VCS3 or AKS, EML 101,200, various sound modification devices and an old TEAC 3340A (or maybe gust an older 3340) to try to open the doors of cosmic conciousness in a way that even a Rosicruscian never thought of). Reply to ROSSI@NUSC.ARPA. Sorry, Doug, if this was the incorrect channel through which to send this message, notify me if that is the case and Ill send mail to a better address. By the way, has anyone heard from Ash RA lately (after their disco album)? John [][][][][][][][][][] Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 15:47:46 EST From: Susanne E Trowbridge Subject: Pazz & Jop Poll / Bragging Since the results of the Village Voice Pazz and Jop Poll were printed, I thought I'd mention that if you look at the very very very tiny miniscule print at the very end of the article, where they list all the contributors, you can see my name. It is my one claim to fame. If anyone has an enlar- ging copier, perhaps they could enlarge the list about 10x so I can put it in my clipping file. (PS - I am the rock critic for the Johns Hopkins Univ News-Letter. This should prove that anyone can participate in the Pazz and Jop Poll. Next January, be subversive and send in an entry yourself!) Hip media celebrity, Sue [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 00:51:06 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: British Music Industry Awards and Kate I caught the British Music Industry Awards on TV last Friday. (See, I didn't miss it, Tim! "England's newest pop star"???? "England's newest pop star"??? "England's newest..."??? ...) In any case, for those who missed it, you didn't miss much. Most of it was a complete farce. The highlight of the night came when the award for "Best International Group" was presented. Among those nominated were The Talking Heads and Hewey, Dewey, Lewey, and The News. Needless to say Hewey, baby, won. And later this beautiful human being came out to give this wonderful speech about how the music industry is so competitive these days, and how this is such a wonderful thing for everyone. Sign me up on the ideology! I wanna be a record company executive now. In any kase, Kate was nominated for three awards, Best Album, Best Single, and Best Female Artist. She lost all three. Best Album was won by Fill Colon for "Faith Valueless". Best Single was won by Spears for Queers for "Everybody Wants To Rule The Whirlpool Refrigerator". And Best Female Artist was won by Annie Eunuchs. There were pseudo-live (lip-synched) performances by Fill Colon, Spears for Queers, Hewey, and Kate Bush, among others, who I've probably forgotten. It's good to see Kate thrown in among so much talent in front of 100 million viewers. Kate performed "Dogs of Lust". The lighting and the eclecticness of the band and the clothes the band members wore were quite impressive. There were Kate, two cello players (one of them Paddy), a keyboardist (Del Palmer), and three (yes, that's right -- *three*) drummers. The drummer in the middle played sampled electronic drums (he was dressed rather formally and acted very mechanical and precise, as if playing the part of a human drum machine) and the other two drummers played normal acoustic drum sets. Still, it was a bit disappointing because Kate basically just stood there and sang (or pretended to sing, rather). I've also seen live appearances for RuTH and Cloudbusting, and in neither of these did Kate do the strange dancing she is famous for. Kate's dancing and choreography ability for live appearances reached a peak after "The Dreaming". Once she appeared on the Italian equivalent of "Solid Gold" and had to perform the song "The Dreaming" on a transparent disco stage with rotating and flashing lights -- but the stunning power and quality of her bizzare dance for this song is so amazing that the video clip is a classic just for the superposition of such class and such tackiness. And the dance routine she did for live appearances of "Suspended In Gaffa" is bizzare, cute, and wonderfully charming. In videos, her dance skills reached a peak in the video for "Running Up That Hill", which is beautiful and wrenchingly poignant. But the dancing disappeared for "Cloudbusting" and in her recent live appearances. It's almost as if she's saying "I achieved my goals in dancing -- my live appearances for 'The Dreaming' and the video for RuTH are the conclusion of what I have to say in that area, and now it's time for me to go on to something different." On the other hand, maybe in her old age, she's just become more self-conscious about appearing foolish with dancing, because she's not a professional dancer, and wants to appear more in total control and be the target of less ridicule for her "poncy" dancing. She certainly appears more "impressive" and mature recently, but it this necessarily a good thing? What happened to the youthful spunk and naivity? Is this what three years can do to you? Don't grow old too quick, Kate! ("Stay young. And keep in touch.") Then again, Kate risking appearing silly by playing a little boy in the "Cloudbusting" video helps restore my faith. (Hear that Hofmann!) "Moving stranger, does it really matter? As long as you're not afraid to feel" Doug P.S. Newsflash: The U.S. 7" single for "Hounds Of Love" appeared in the record stores around here today. And the British single for "Hounds Of Love" was released on Monday. Unlike in the U.S., release dates in England are when you can actually buy the record in the stores, so better import record stores should be getting the import by Friday. The British single has a new song on it -- an a cappella cover of "The Handsome Cabin Boy". (Wasn't this done by Bert Loyd and Ewan MacColl? Or am I totally off the wall?) The 12" single will also have "Jig Of Life" on it. The U.S. single has "Burning Bridge" on it. [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu