Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watnot.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!burl!clyde!watmath!watnot!pdobeda From: pdobeda@watnot.UUCP (pdobeda) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness Message-ID: <11560@watnot.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Feb-86 13:22:01 EST Article-I.D.: watnot.11560 Posted: Fri Feb 28 13:22:01 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 2-Mar-86 01:06:41 EST Distribution: na Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 52 Every now and then, an argument springs to light, often presented by those presenting themselves as "Pro-Choice", to the effect that a fetus interferes with a woman's right to "Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness". In some way, it is inferred that this justifies the killing of a fetus, as the fetus is not mentioned in the Constitution as possessing these three rights, considered basic. Yet, this bothers me somewhat. Firstly, it seems to me that the ordering of the rights is well-considered--one's liberty might be constrained by another's right to life, and similarly, one's pursuit of happiness might be hampered by another's right to liberty or life. This, in my opinion, and I don't think that I am alone, should be applied equally, to all people, and to those which might or might not be people, until it is demonstrated clearly that such are not people. In other words, grant the benefit of the doubt to the positive. I do not necessarily feel that the right to life of a fetus should supercede the right to life of the mother--they are equals. The question of what is ethical in the cases where the life of the mother is threatened is another question entirely. ("One will die--whom shall it be??") I do, however, feel that the possibility that a fetus *should* indeed be granted the right of life (a legal question, now) is sufficient, especially when considered against the restrictions, to be the dominant right, when it becomes a question of the liberty of the mother and her pursuit of happiness. This, though, assumes that we are working from a 'good' definition of what constitutes a restriction on the liberty of the mother. Is marriage to be outlawed, by virtue of the limits it gives to liberty? If I am not allowed to drive as fast as I want wherever I want, is this part of what is referred to by 'Liberty'? I suspect that the intention is for freedom from tyranny and oppression, and that one's right to liberty is not intended to be licence to interfere negatively with others. Further, some rights are present *in time*. A school is not considered as wrong to require that students pursue their happiness at a later time. The mother will regain her fullest ability to pursue her happiness in time--nothing is lost. In the meantime, who is harmed? Finally, there is the complex legal question, which we are just brushing the tip of, as to when one's rights may be superceded for the greater benefit of mankind. Occasionally, this is cited as relevant in the abortion issue. Yet, over time, I have seen enought evidence to convince me that abortions are to the ultimate detriment of mankind, rather than to his benefit. Paul D. Obeda