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From: thoma@reed.UUCP (Ann Muir Thomas)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
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Date: Mon, 3-Mar-86 13:23:29 EST
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Posted: Mon Mar  3 13:23:29 1986
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>Further, some rights are present *in time*.  A school is not
>considered as wrong to require that students pursue their happiness at
>a later time.  The mother will regain her fullest ability to pursue
>her happiness in time--nothing is lost.

Excuse me, but having to raise a child for 18+ years when one doesn't
want to severely limits the pursual of happiness.  As does losing one's
job, having to drop out school, etc. because one is pregnant.  (Men who
get women pregnant don't have to do this...).  

Your analogy is somewhat invalid anyway, because most of us who are in
school are there _in order_ to pursue happiness, and be better equipped
to do so after we get out.  A woman does not get pregnant when she
doesn't want to have children in order to "pursue happiness."

>Finally, there is the complex legal question, which we are just
>brushing the tip of, as to when one's rights may be superceded for the
>greater benefit of mankind.  Occasionally, this is cited as relevant
>in the abortion issue.  Yet, over time, I have seen enought evidence
>to convince me that abortions are to the ultimate detriment of
>mankind, rather than to his benefit.

What kind of evidence, beyond the obvious fact that you don't like
women who want freedom over their bodies?

>Paul D. Obeda

	There is a theory that men do the power-plays, control
games, warlike activities &c. that they do because they are jealous
of woman's ability to have children (a variation on the "sperm is
cheap/ eggs are expensive" argument).  I am under the impression
that men who don't want women to have abortions, who want women to
be mothers regardless of their other plans, &c. are jealous of
women and seek to control the exact function that they (the men)
are jealous of-- women's reproductive capacities.

Ann Muir Thomas