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From: tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: net.auto
Subject: Re: Mustangs and GTIs (and a story)
Message-ID: <7849@watrose.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 26-Feb-86 11:06:24 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb 26 11:06:24 1986
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In article <158@druhi.UUCP> vuser@druhi.UUCP (GerardenC) writes:
>
>>  You're right... the GTI is not a sports car. Most all GTI owners
>>would not assume so. Only Chuck seems to be hung up on this. Who is
>
>Then why are all you nuts touting .85 skidpad figures,
>fantastic hp/weight claims, great handling, "sporty interiors", (two
>colors at once ) pirelli p6 tires (real crap), 5 speed gearboxes,
>on,and on , and on, and on, and on, and on, and on , and on ,and on ..........

OK, Chuck, get it straight: GTI is a sporty hatchback.  That means
it's allowed to have a nice interior, good performance (not amazing),
a good gearbox and nice tires.  The new GTI's have P600 tires, not P6.
They're crap?  Do you prefer Mickey Thompson Indy Specials?

>Is the only thing a real sport car has over GTI's is the lack of rear seats?

YOU said that, Chuck.  No one else did.  A real sports car (and in my
opinion a Mustang GT does not qualify either) will provide performance
without compromise.  Cars such as Cobra 427, Lotus Super 7, Porsche
911 RS, 924 Carrera GTS, and Speedster qualify as real sports cars in
my opinion.

>>> A question for all you fanatics: if VW calls them rabbits, why did
>>> they put a wolf on the steering wheel?
>>   
>> Chuck...I believe you may be refering to the Wolfsburg symbol on
>>some VW's. That is where some Rabbits are made...Wolfsburg Germany.
>>Why you would bring up such a benign gripe when you do not even know
>>what the hell it is all about, is beyond me.BIG DEAL!
>
>OK, I guess I dont know what it is all about. You see I dont think I
>would ask such a leading question on the net about VW's unless I already
>knew the answer. My impression (from fanatics) was that the wolf (or fox) on the
>wheel was an AUDI part. It has nothing to do with WOLFSBURG,Germany.
>A few fanatics have told me that vw used some AUDI parts on their cars.
>And for your information most of (not all) vw's for the US are made in 
>Westmorland Pa.

The Audi logo is four interrlocked rings, quite different from the
wolf.  You will not find the wolf logo on any Audi.  The logo is in
fact a (stylized) coat of arms of Wolfsburg.  Incidentally, the town
was founded on a German moor in 1936 by a certain Adolf Hitler, as
"Der Stadt den KdF-Wagen" when the VW factory construction first
began.  It subsequently was changed to Wolfsburg after a medieval
castle situated near the town.  (KdF == Kraft durch Freude == Strength
through Joy).

Most VW's for the US come from Germany -- check the sales figures,
Chuck (available weekly in Automotive News).  Combined Jetta, Quantum,
Scirocco, Vanagon and Cabriolet sales exceed the Golf sales.  There indeed
are many parts common between VW's and Audis.  It just so happens that
Audi is part of Volkswagenwerk AG, and it only makes sense to rationalize
production where possible.  The older Audi 5000's still used a
(modified) Beetle inside door handle --- why change it if it works well?

>PS: "The best way to fight VW fanatics, is to let em fight each other"

You're not having much success there, Chuck!

				   \tom haapanen
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