Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ttrdc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!cuae2!ltuxa!ttrdc!levy From: levy@ttrdc.UUCP (Daniel R. Levy) Newsgroups: net.audio,net.auto Subject: Re: Phase distortion on music Message-ID: <769@ttrdc.UUCP> Date: Sun, 2-Mar-86 16:41:07 EST Article-I.D.: ttrdc.769 Posted: Sun Mar 2 16:41:07 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Mar-86 06:30:54 EST References: <1582@emory.UUCP> <523@eneevax.UUCP> <445@unccvax.unccvax.UUCP> <1211@mtx5a.UUCP> <12077@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Distribution: net Organization: AT&T, Computer Systems Division, Skokie, IL Lines: 37 Xref: watmath net.audio:7824 net.auto:9669 In article <12077@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, spp@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU (Stephen P Pope) writes: >I don't remember the reference, but one psychoacoustic study >showed that, for speaker crossovers, the phase distorion was >found to be inaudible (under the condtions of this study) >so long as the frequency response is smooth in the region where >the phase change vs. frequncy was high. If the frequency >response was uneven, the phase shift was very noticible. >Hence the conclusion, human hearing is insensitive to phase >shift if the frequncy response is flat. However, this obviously >can't be generalized to the multiple radians of phase shift >found in the passband of a sharp-cutoff LPF, as the CD makers >have found out. >There's also the irrelevant fact that phase carries no information >in speech. >steve Way back when I was in undergrad EE, I learned that the effect of making a phase shift in one component of some waveforms could, if the shift was correct, cause the waveform to have extremely sharp (theoretically tend- ing to infinity) peaks. This would pose an obvious problem for the faith- ful reproduction of those waveforms, even setting aside the issue of whether it "sounds the same." (Which I doubt it would, since it would push the ear itself to mechanical extremes during the peaks.) Note I am not saying that the TOTAL ENERGY of the peaks tended to infinity (obviously impossible when starting out with a signal of finite power) but just that the INSTANT- ANEOUS (current, voltage, power) level did. -- ------------------------------- Disclaimer: The views contained herein are | dan levy | yvel nad | my own and are not at all those of my em- | an engihacker @ | ployer or the administrator of any computer | at&t computer systems division | upon which I may hack. | skokie, illinois | -------------------------------- Path: ..!{akgua,homxb,ihnp4,ltuxa,mvuxa, vax135}!ttrdc!levy