Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site smeagol.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!oberon!smeagol!kwan From: kwan@smeagol.UUCP (Richard Kwan) Newsgroups: net.columbia Subject: Re: Ejection Seats Message-ID: <603@smeagol.UUCP> Date: Thu, 13-Feb-86 21:02:43 EST Article-I.D.: smeagol.603 Posted: Thu Feb 13 21:02:43 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 16-Feb-86 04:47:00 EST References: <2911@ut-ngp.UUCP> <3046@umcp-cs.UUCP> <2755@amdahl.UUCP>, <516@oliven.UUCP> <139@bucsb.UUCP> Organization: Spacecraft Data Systems, JPL, Pasadena, CA Lines: 41 In <139@bucsb.UUCP>, Dino writes: > Some ejection seats are modules... > ... This, I would imagine, > would take care of the problem of the ouside air killing the pilot/ > passengers on contact and the problem of ejection through the roof of > the craft. > > Ofcource the module would be fried by the exhaust..... CAVEAT: On this subject, I must rely on very old neurons, and I don't have access to the sources any longer, so if you come upon them and can show otherwise, feel free to correct me. I believe A. Scott Crossfield tells in his autobiography "Always Another Dawn" that ejection capsules/modules had been mandated by the Air Force in the 1950s. The X-15 design team, faced with this constraint, decided that it would impose too much weight on the craft. They obtained an exemption from the Air Force on the basis of their alternative. The pilot wore a fairly bulky pressure suit, and a boom would protrude sufficiently far in front of the seat so that the shock wave would not intersect pilot or seat. The seat would be propelled out and away from the craft by a solid rocket motor, out of the way of tail and engine exhaust. (BTW, the fleet of three X-15s made 199 flights with only one pilot fatality late in the program. On one other flight, the pilot had to crash land and was seriously injured; following surjury and recuper- ation, he returned to flight duty.) Of course, as mentioned elsewhere in this news group, this depends on being able to blow the canopy or a small exit in your craft. If the diagrams I've seen are correct, the shuttle crew seems to be spread on two decks at launch. An ejection option would require an easy access path from seats on the lower deck, thru the upper deck, and out thru the skin of the craft. Rick Kwan JPL Spacecraft Data Systems Disclaimer: this is not to express an opinion for or against ejection seats. That, to me, is an engineering decision.