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From: jjs@cbdkc1.UUCP (Jeff Sager)
Newsgroups: net.consumers
Subject: Re: Honda Rust
Message-ID: <1316@cbdkc1.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 24-Feb-86 17:10:10 EST
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Posted: Mon Feb 24 17:10:10 1986
Date-Received: Fri, 28-Feb-86 01:08:27 EST
Reply-To: jjs@cbdkc1.UUCP ( Jeff Sager )
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mark@cbosgd.UUCP (Mark Horton) writes:

>> The Honda dealer where I bought it says it
>> is as a result of the salt on the roads and is my own fault.  I say they're
>> con artists selling crap.  I owned a 1979 Chevette and treated it the same

>I'd have to agree with the Honda dealer.  If you take proper care of your
>car, it won't rust.  If you ignore it, it will rust away in about 4 years.
>In this part of the country, most people think cars only last 4 years.

>I have an 81 Accord, bought at Honda East in Columbus.  We had it
>rustproofed when we bought it.  This rustproofing comes with a lifetime
>warrantee that if it ever rusts, they'll repair it.  (There is a long list

Sorry Mark,  I used to think the same way BEFORE I bought the Civic.  That
was my point about the Chevette - I treated both cars the same way and the
Chevette lasted 5+ years where the Civic disintegrated in less than 4.

I got the Honda at exactly the same dealer, and I wouldn't be surprised that
you and I got exactly the same "rust proofing".  It is only under-coating
(which is all the Chevette had) and only covers "rust-through" that does
not begin on the surface.  My original posting points out that the rust
is starting under the paint but not at the under-coating.  The warrantee
is worthless - virtually no cars rust (rot) from the under-carriage any more.
(Tip to everyone - rust-proofing IS important, but get real rust-proofing
that covers ALL the metal, not just the under-carriage).

Most of the kind people who have responded to my original posting have
agreed that the rust starts at undetectable (until they rust) cracks or
holes in the paint.  In my case at the window seam UNDER the rubber grommet.
If I had washed it every day I could not have kept that area 100% clean.

If your Accord isn't rusting, congratulations, they don't ALL do it.  I
stand by my first impulse - the finish (and metal treatment) of Hondas 
(particularly 80 and 81, so I'm told by an appraiser at Rousch Honda) is
sub-standard (read CRAP!!!).  Sell your Accord now before it begins
depreciating daily like my Civic.

Jeff Sager    cbdkc1!jjs