Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site spp2.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!ross From: ross@spp2.UUCP (Jonathan Ross) Newsgroups: net.crypt Subject: Eastern Front/WWII Cryptography Message-ID: <869@spp2.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Feb-86 16:38:41 EST Article-I.D.: spp2.869 Posted: Fri Feb 21 16:38:41 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 24-Feb-86 21:13:16 EST Reply-To: ross@spp2.UUCP (Jonathan Ross) Organization: TRW, Redondo Beach CA Lines: 52 [To Matt Weiner and Tom Tedrick: Please keep the debate on the Net] It seems to me that it is not possible to definitively characterize the role of Cryptography in WWII. This is true, I feel, for the following simple reasons. Too much relevant information still remains classified. Too much real information was (is) shrouded in disinformation. Among the important secrets that still remains classified (at least as of the publishing of the book entitled, I believe, "_The Radar War_") is the design of the "computer" that Alan Turing used to break the German codes. I wish I could go into more detail here but I don't have any sources at hand. With regards disinformation, until a few postings ago, I was under the (apparently) mistaken impression that Churchill did allow Coventry to be bombed unopposed, in order to keep the British cracking of the German code a secret. (note: I'd love to see sources on this if anyone knows of any). Another remarkable piece of possible disinformation (I stray from cryptography here, my apologies) was the notion that Allied bombing was aided by the Norden bombsight. I believe that "_The Radar War_" asserts that Radar Guidance Systems were responsible for the success of Allied bombing. (Note: some have called into question the idea that Allied bombing was succesful at all- [from a lecture at Harvard University by John Kenneth Galbraith]). What makes the idea of "Norden as disinformation" so intriguing is that I have personally spoken with WWII bomber pilots and bombadiers who swear that Norden was the key to Allied bombing success. Now, I consider "_The Radar War_" and similar books ("_The Ultra Secret_", "_A Man Called Intrepid_", etc.) to be quite reliable sources, but when stacked up against eyewitness testimony, the accuracy of these books becomes questionable. I believe that many other pieces of "conflicting" or "questionable" information have been disseminated, with the best of intentions, by mostly reliable references. The fact that such inaccuracies do occur makes the possibilty of arriving at solid conclusions quite difficult. J.R. ---------------------------- "Ale Man, Ale's the stuff to drink For fellows whom it hurts the think... ...And Malt can do more than Milton can To justify God's ways to Man."