Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!harvard!seismo!brl-adm!brl-smoke!smoke!wales@ucla-locus.ARPA From: wales@ucla-locus.ARPA (Rich Wales) Newsgroups: net.mail.headers Subject: Non-domain host names in mail Message-ID: <1355@brl-smoke.ARPA> Date: Thu, 27-Feb-86 00:05:42 EST Article-I.D.: brl-smok.1355 Posted: Thu Feb 27 00:05:42 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 2-Mar-86 19:35:07 EST Sender: news@brl-smoke.ARPA Lines: 109 [NOTE: I had planned to send this message out several weeks ago, but a mail problem at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU -- which apparently put the Header-People mailing list out of commission for a while -- got in the way. Apologies for any of the following information which is out of date. -- RBW] Here's yet another chapter in the ongoing saga of "bad" and "semi-bad" host names in mail. This message has to do with "non-domain-style" host names (i.e., nicknames which appear in the NIC host name table, but which do not contain periods). A subsequent message will discuss host names which do not appear in the NIC table at all. The following non-domain-style host names were observed in connection with mail received by LOCUS.UCLA.EDU between 6 December 1985 and 15 Jan- uary 1986. Most of these names could be converted into valid (i.e., defined) domain-style names by adding ".ARPA" to them. Those names which do not occur with the ".ARPA" suffix in the NIC host name table are indicated by asterisks. Since non-domain-style host names are NEVER going to be listed in the domain data base, I would strongly encourage the hosts listed below to stop using them NOW and use the correct domain-style names instead. ************************************************************************ * I would also again urge the NIC to set a deadline for phasing * * all non-domain-style names out of the host name table. (Note * * that I am NOT advocating that ALL nicknames be removed -- only * * that nicknames without periods be removed.) No matter what * * anyone may say about transition to the domain data base -- and * * no matter what anyone may say about only using a host's * * "official" name -- the fact remains that as long as these names * * appear in the table, people are going to continue to use them. * ************************************************************************ Also, I would suggest again to those hosts which are using the domain data base that -- when they see a non-domain-style nickname in a mail address -- they should try adding ".ARPA" to the name and look up the result in the data base before giving up. This should be thought of as a temporary "hack", to get around the unfortunate fact that it is likely to be some time before non-domain-style nicknames have been utterly and completely eradicated from our midst. Before anyone asks: I am NOT going to try to send individual letters to system adminstrators about this issue this time. The last time I did this, I got very few responses. Most people seemed to simply ignore me (witness the size of the lists below!). One person (who shall remain nameless unless he chooses to make himself known) even said he planned to keep on using his non-domain-style nickname, because he liked to make waves! Predictably, said host is still on my list, and the wizard in- volved is no doubt very proud of this fact. Sigh. My apologies for any typos which might have made it into this list. Also, my apologies if any hosts listed below have since fixed things. Again, host names indicated below with (*) do not have ".ARPA" counter- parts; an attempt (as described above) to make sense of these names by tacking ".ARPA" onto them would fail. (1) Non-domain-style host names used in return addresses of mail: Name used Domain-style name ================================= AERO (*) AEROSPACE.ARPA AIDS-UNIX AIDS-UNIX.ARPA BBNCCM BBNCCM.ARPA, CCM.BBN.COM BBNCCP BBNCCP.ARPA CIT-750 CIT-750.ARPA, CIT-750.CALTECH.EDU FORD-WDL1 FORD-WDL1.ARPA GLACIER (*) SU-GLACIER.ARPA, GLACIER.STANFORD.EDU GSWD-VMS GSWD-VMS.ARPA HPLABSD (*) HPLABS.ARPA LASSPVAX LASSPVAX.ARPA, LASSPVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU MEDEA (*) MEDEA.BERKELEY.EDU NRL-AIC NRL-AIC.ARPA PARCVAX PARCVAX.ARPA, PARCVAX.XEROX.COM SRI-SPAM SRI-SPAM.ARPA SRI-UNIX SRI-UNIX.ARPA SU-PSYCH SU-PSYCH.ARPA, PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU TOR (*) NTA-VAX.ARPA UMN-UCC-VA UMN-UCC-VA.ARPA YALE-VENUS YALE-VENUS.ARPA (2) Non-domain-style host names used in SMTP HELO commands: Name used Address Domain-style name =============================================== ALMSA-1 26.1.0.61 ALMSA-1.ARPA ATHENA (*) 18.58.0.1 MIT-ATHENA.ARPA, ATHENA.MIT.EDU BBNCCM 8.7.0.14 BBNCCM.ARPA, CCM.BBN.COM BBNCCP 8.2.0.4 BBNCCP.ARPA FORD-WDL1 128.5.32.1 FORD-WDL1.ARPA GLACIER (*) 36.40.0.205 SU-GLACIER.ARPA, GLACIER.STANFORD.EDU HPLABSD 192.5.58.10 HPLABS.ARPA MEDEA (*) 128.32.0.15 UCBMEDEA.ARPA, MEDEA.BERKELEY.EDU MEDIA-LAB 18.85.0.2 MEDIA-LAB.ARPA, MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU MIT-EDDIE 18.62.0.6 MIT-EDDIE.ARPA, EDDIE.MIT.EDU NRL-AIC 26.1.0.8 NRL-AIC.ARPA NRL-CSS 192.5.17.112 NRL-CSS.ARPA PREP (*) 128.52.22.14 MIT-PREP.ARPA, PREP.AI.MIT.EDU SU-PSYCH 36.36.0.202 SU-PSYCH.ARPA, PSYCH.STANFORD.EDU UCBARPA (*) 10.0.0.78 UCB-ARPA.ARPA, UCBARPA.BERKELEY.EDU YALE (*) 10.2.0.9 YALE-GW.ARPA -- Rich Wales // UCLA Computer Science Department // +1 213-825-5683 3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, California 90024 // USA ARPA: wales@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU -or- wales@UCLA-LOCUS.ARPA UUCP: ...!(ucbvax,ihnp4)!ucla-cs!wales