Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84 exptools; site ihnet.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ihnet!eklhad From: eklhad@ihnet.UUCP (K. A. Dahlke) Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Re: Hairy combinatorics problem. Message-ID: <365@ihnet.UUCP> Date: Mon, 17-Feb-86 11:04:41 EST Article-I.D.: ihnet.365 Posted: Mon Feb 17 11:04:41 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 18-Feb-86 04:01:37 EST References: <702@harvard.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 42 > I wish to count the number of acyclic, saturated hydrocarbons with n carbons. > These molecules can be thought of as acyclic, undirected, connected graphs, > in which the carbons are nodes, the carbon-carbon bonds are edges, and the > hydrogens are ignored. Problems like this can be quite frustrating, because I feel like I should be able to solve them. We did similar problems in a graph theory course I took 4 years ago, but I guess project planning and methodology have withered my brain since then. It has something to do with manipulating generating functions for rooted instances of the carbon trees. At any rate, I am not being mathematical today. Instead, I am wearing my chemistry hat, something I rarely do, since I have only taken one college level chemistry course. But here goes. Representing hydrocarbons as trees with degree <= 4 breaks down for modest N (say N>15). Yes, each hydrocarbon has a corresponding carbon tree, but many trees do not correspond to physical molecules. To illustrate, begin with a methane molecule, represented by the degenerate tree (one point). Now replace each hydrogen atom with a methyl group, producing a pentane isomer. The tree is a 4-way star. Again, replace each hydrogen with a methyl group, making a 17-carbon glob. Repeat od-imnosium. The graphical model gives no hint of trouble, yet the number of carbon atoms grows exponentially, while the size of the molecule (maximum radius) increases linearly. We have a problem, right?!? Even the 17-carbon glob may not be possible. Don't have my table of bond angles and distances handy. In fact, I conjecture, as N approaches infinity, the probability that a random N-node tree will correspond to a physically realizable hydrocarbon approaches zero. Well anyways, it's still a fun problem. -- Why don't we do it in the road? Karl Dahlke ihnp4!ihnet!eklhad