Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site decwrl.DEC.COM Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-beorn!dinitto From: dinitto@beorn.DEC Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: effeminate gay role models Message-ID: <1521@decwrl.DEC.COM> Date: Wed, 5-Mar-86 14:40:14 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.1521 Posted: Wed Mar 5 14:40:14 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Mar-86 07:05:29 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.DEC.COM Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 44 re: jim diliddo's posting describing his aversion to flamboyant effeminate gay men i agree with your opinion of "boys in the band". i saw the movie for the first time about 3 years ago and was shocked at the negative portrayal of gay men. the film clearly is an attempt to portray gays as very emotionally unbalanced and unhappy individuals. it was a gross generalization and a very bad source of role models for young gays. i'm glad that i didn't see this film while i was an adolescent. your discomfort at being associated with effeminate men, however, is another matter. the fact that you feel uncomfortable around them indicates a high degree of insecurity on your part as to your own sexual/social identity. are you so closeted that you fear being seen in public with an effeminate man because he may implicate you as being gay, by association? perhaps, on the other hand, you are afraid that people may assume there is a sexual relationship between the two of you. is that really a problem? one of the most wonderful things about being gay is that it gives a person a greater appreciation of the irony inherent in social intercourse. i am very amused when someone makes an obvious assumption which turns out to be false. that's why i find myself socially attracted to people who do not "fit the steriotypical mold". onlookers make all kinds of assumptions about them, and it's so much fun to see the expression on the spectators' faces when the truth is revealed! surprise is one of the best remedies for boredom. you should enjoy it more, and worry less about what society thinks of you. otherwise your peers may start to refer to you as: "that *silly* young you-know-what!". i do not consider effeminate acting men a negative role model. i do not beleive that their presence in a bar or on the street is a bad influence on young gays. there are plenty of butch numbers around the bars and the streets that can serve as alternative role models. these gay men are just dripping with masculinity. the important fact which should be made clear to young gay men and women is this: there is a choice of personality traits which they can assume, and as individuals, the choice belongs to them. - bob dinitto