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From: msc@saber.UUCP (Mark Callow)
Newsgroups: net.news
Subject: Re: Should the Usenet/UUCP maps have ex
Message-ID: <1933@saber.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 21-Feb-86 13:22:00 EST
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Posted: Fri Feb 21 13:22:00 1986
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> > >	Gordon Burditt
> >	Mark Horton
> 	John Bass

> > >
> > >This copyright notice Copyright 1986 by Gordon Burditt.  No part of this
> > >notice may be reproduced without inclusion of this copyright notice.  
> > 
> > Good grief, to be legal I have to include this noise in my followup.
>
> Well with the USENET Community holding copyright on EVERY posting to
> a moderated group like mod.recipes ... every poster should start reserving
> the rights him/her-self in the other groups before the USENET Community
> starts claiming wholesale copyright on everything else posted. Personally
> I don't understand why someone created a corporation to copyright mod.recipes
> -- and -- (having missed any discussion about it before it happened) I think
> is was a bad idea to allow it in the first palace ... WHO (like in real people)
> owns the copyrights 4 years from now???
> 
Good grief!  Here are two prime examples of the miscommunication that happens
on the net.

In the first place Gordon's notice says "This *copyright notice* Copyright".
He wasn't copyrighting the article he was poking a little satire at
copyrights and legal mumbo jumbo.

In the second place what's this about a corporation?  The discussion
I saw in net.news* regarding mod.recipes went as follows:

    1.  Brian Reid submits an article saying that someone, whom
	he didn't name, was intending to publish a collection of the
	recipes from mod.recipes without even acknowledging their
	origin far less paying the originators.  Brian expressed his
	own dismay and asked for other opinions.

    2.  Brian did some research into copyrights including talking
	with someone in Stanford's Law school.  He published another
	article with his conclusions.  He said that under current law
	copyright on articles on usenet was automatically held by the
	author even if (s)he didn't include a copyright notice.  Brian
	presumably used a phrase something like "thus copyright is held
	by the Usenet Community" to summarize this though I don't
	remember exactly.  Now John seems to think that Brian is
	setting up some kind of corporation called the "Usenet
	Community".

	CAVEAT:  if there was further discussion on this in mod.recipes
		 I won't have seen it. 

Phew!  Sorry this turned out so longwinded.

Could we all please try to *READ* each others submissions and use our brains.
-- 
From the TARDIS of Mark Callow
msc@saber.uucp,  sun!saber!msc@decwrl.dec.com ...{ihnp4,sun}!saber!msc
"Boards are long and hard and made of wood"