Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ecsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary From: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Electric Brae Message-ID: <1187@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 13-Feb-86 11:20:32 EST Article-I.D.: ecsvax.1187 Posted: Thu Feb 13 11:20:32 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 16-Feb-86 03:53:57 EST References: <736@brl-smoke.ARPA> <486@mmm.UUCP> Reply-To: dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) Distribution: net Organization: Duke U Comp Ctr Lines: 45 Summary: Don't say "gullible" too carelessly In article <486@mmm.UUCP> mrgofor@mmm.UUCP (MKR) writes: [apropos a Scottish hill where things seem to roll upwards] >It's an optical illusion. There is a similar place in Florida (I think). >You can also watch water and bowling balls run "uphill" in all sorts of >"magical spots", usually connected to tourist spots that attract gullible >people. The subject was bandied about in net.physics many months ago with many examples cited. It is indeed a common illusion, and one often generated artificially. I might note that it is nontrivial to show that a given instance *is* an illusion, however. Plumb bobs and spirit levels (it could be argued) merely reflect the local gravity vector; if gravity is distorted, so will they be. Only a reference to distant objects or (preferably) astronomical sightings would suffice to prove that "vertical" structures are indeed not parallel to a radius of the Earth. I think it's ill-advised (even if accurate) to characterise people who fall for such stunts as "gullible." It's enough of an (*ahem*) uphill battle trying to promote rationality without alienating people by accusing them of being dumb. One of my longstanding gripes about The Skeptical Inquirer is that it too often goes overboard in the ad hominem department characterizing people who disagree as being "ridiculous" or "silly." That's not likely to persuade them to come over to the sensible point of view. One more instance of a mystery hill: A hitchhiker was thumbing at the base of a hill in the middle of the night. Exhausted, he was nearly asleep on his feet. Suddenly he realized a car had pulled to a stop beside him. Wearily he climbed into the back seat and muttered his gratitude. The car moved slowly off. After a moment the hitchhiker became aware of the strangely slow speed of the car and its almost total silence. He looked up to ask the driver why he was proceeding so slowly. To his terror and dismay, the driver's seat was empty! In utter fright he jumped from the vehicle just as it crested the hill and started to run away. A sound attracted his attention and he looked back to see another man start to get in the car. "Look out!" he cried in warning. "There is something terribly wrong with that machine!!" "Damn right!" said the other guy. "I've been pushing it for over a mile!" -- D Gary Grady Duke U Comp Center, Durham, NC 27706 (919) 684-3695 USENET: {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary