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From: jjboritz@watnot.UUCP (Jim Boritz)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Television coverage and censorship in Canada (in net.columbia??)
Message-ID: <11501@watnot.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 20-Feb-86 15:02:14 EST
Article-I.D.: watnot.11501
Posted: Thu Feb 20 15:02:14 1986
Date-Received: Sat, 22-Feb-86 09:05:54 EST
References: <6396@utzoo.UUCP> <514@kontron.UUCP>
Reply-To: jjboritz@watnot.UUCP (Jim Boritz)
Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario
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Summary: 

In article <514@kontron.UUCP> cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >What about that guy the Canadian Government sent to prison for publishing
>> >the claim that the Holocaust didn't happen?  Two years in prison, I believe
>> >was the sentence.  If that isn't political censorship, what is?
>> 
>> Hmmm. Perhaps. Hate censorship is a better way to put it.
>> 
>
>Politics and hate are inseparable (at least the way most politicians 
>practice it).
>
>> The individual refered to is doubtless Ernst Zundel, a rabid neo-Nazi
>> who lives in Canada but is not a Canadian, and who has stated publicly 
>> and repeatedly that
>
                               ^
                               |____ As I recall the used to be some more
                                     information here that has been edited
                                     out.

In effect this extra stuff said that Mr. Zundel was not prosecuted for 
what he said.
                                 
>American law recognizes that the right of free speech applies even to
>those illegally in our country.  What's Canada afraid of?
>
>> 1. Hitler remains one of his heroes.
>> 2. There is an international Jewish conspiracy, etc.
>> 3. The Holocaust is a Jewish lie, etc.
>> This Zundel has repeatedly published anti-semitic hate literature 
>> and supports and is financially supported by 
>> a variety of neo-Nazi groups.  He was jailed because actively inciting hatred
>> against any identifiable group in Canada is illegal.  
>> (Zundel may be deported after his release from prison.)
>> 
>
>Just because his beliefs are repugnant doesn't justify throwing someone in
>jail for expressing those beliefs.  That's something that totalitarian
>governments do.

You are missing the point again.  He was jailed for inciting hatred.
We are not just talking about someone that says bad things, we are talking
about someone that encourages others to hate people. 

>
>> It is certainly not clear to this reader why such an example equates the
>> censorship of the media in Canada to the USSR.  As other submissions have
>> indicated, there is no such equivalence.
>> 
>
>2 + 2 == 5
>
>It doesn't matter how many people say it -- it's still not true.  Your
>arguments above are arguments in favor of suppressing ANYTHING that is 
>generally held to be offensive.  How do differentiate this attitude from
>the more extreme form of the idea used by totalitarian governments.
>
>> This IS getting REALLY off topic (this stuff is in net.columbia???).  I have
>> posted this to net.politics, as well.  Please send any followups there.
>> Thanks.  
>> -- 
>
>This started out as someone's inaccurate comparision of the Canadian and
>Soviet news media (something *I* certainly wouldn't do) coverage of the
>Space Shuttle accident -- there is method to the madness.

This had nothing to do with Canadian or Soviet coverage of the shuttle 
incident. It had to do with someone being upset about the junk coming 
across on the American networks.  This person was then told "If you want your
news controlled why don't you go somewhere like Canada or the Soviet Union..."


>
>> Name:   Richard Snell
>> Mail:   Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto
>>         Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
>> UUCP:   {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!snell
>
>Clayton Cramer

Jim Boritz Waterloo, Ontario.  Home of Censorship and Media control.

jjboritz@watnot.UUCP