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From: jjboritz@watnot.UUCP (Jim Boritz)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Television coverage and censorship in Canada (in net.columbia??)
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Date: Wed, 26-Feb-86 10:20:00 EST
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Posted: Wed Feb 26 10:20:00 1986
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Reply-To: jjboritz@watnot.UUCP (Jim Boritz)
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Just a few things I would like to say.
In the U.S. and in Canada , parents have had books banned from the high school
cirriculum.
In the state of Texas, all science texts which mention evolution are required
to have a disclaimer in them which says that the theory of evolution is just
a theory and is not supported by any scientific fact.  In fact some publishers 
have gone so far as to remove the theory of evolution from their textbooks
altogether.  Because the state of Texas buys so many textbooks, and because 
they are very vocal about what they do and do not want to see in these textbooks
many publishers, have altered their texts.  Of course these publishers do 
not print special Texan editions, and thus the entire country is provided 
with textbooks that conform to ideals and morals of those in Texas.

Of course you keep implying that the U.S. does not prosecute people for
their beliefs.  In fact you even go to the point of saying, why do we 
then not prosecute Marxists.  But the U.S. did prosecute Marxists, and 
other  :-) Commie Pinko's :-} I belive this is what was done by Senator 
McCarthy.  Of course no one has replied to this.
 
Here I go again, but no one has a monopoly on censorship.  Every country 
in the world has censorship.  The only difference is how pronounced it is.
A lot of this began becuase some one said that Canada has lots of censorship 
and implied that there is close to no censorship in the U.S.  :-] the only
difference between censorship anywhere, is how well it is done (-: .

As for Mr. Zundel a lot of Jewish people in Toronto did not think he should 
have been prosecuted.  They felt that it simply brought more light on the
matter, and that people that already believed what he was saying would not
stop believing it just because he was found guilty by a court.  They also 
thought that the trial gave him more publicity, and a higher profile than 
he had before.  This allowed him to become a *celebrity* and made more people
aware of his nonsense than would have been aware otherwise.

I personally have a hard time saying that it was wrong to prosecute him.
What would you do if someone said that world war II never happened. Hitler
never existed, and never tried to take over the world.  What would you do
if someone said that americans were evil, and are trying to take over the world
 :-) asides from giving arms to the other side (-:

It really hits home when someone tries to tell you that your entire family
was not killed by the Germans.  It was all a hoax, people walked into 
one door of a gas chamber and came out the other side smiling.  What about
the family of your friends, where did they go too.  Maybe some spaceship
swallowed up 6,000,000 Jews.  The grief and pain that Hitler caused did 
not end with WW II. It lives on today in the minds of those that saw their
families executed right in front of their eyes, or those who saw their 
brothers and sisters walk into a gas chamber and then had to go in to remove
the bodies and place them into a mass grave.   Of course in a few years 
these people will be dead, there will be no eyewitnesses.   Another Zundel
may come along, and no one will be able to say that he's lying because they
will not have seen the horror for themselves.  Then Mr. Zundel will not be
found guilty.  Then everyone will say  "Well if they couldn't prove he's 
lying in a court of law, then he must not be lying."  Where will we be then. 
If this is the alternative then I must say, By all means prosecute him now
and let this be a statement to the future.        
 
There is a famous quote whose origin I cannot remember, but it says
"He who forgets the past is doomed to relive it."
 
I do not think that anyone wants to go through another World War.
 
Jim Boritz