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From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman)
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Subject: Re: Reply to Sevener on Property Rights
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Date: Fri, 28-Feb-86 14:45:43 EST
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> In article <551@whuts.UUCP> orb@whuts.UUCP (SEVENER) writes:
> >I see. In order to have a right to free speech I have to own a mall.....
> >
> >     tim sevener   whuxn!orb
>
> No, Tim.  You don't have to own a mall.  There are still public areas that
> are accessible, even if only a curbside on the approach to the mall.  What,
> you say that no one will bother to stop their car and read your petition?
> Too bad.  These are private citizens choosing to take their commerce to a
> specific place; most of them are fully aware that a mall is private property.
> There is no law *forcing* people to spend some of their time on public
> property just so every organization can make the most of its free speech.
> Those who seek this (such as you) can choose to boycott malls, for example.
> .........................................
> Should a synagogue have to provide "equal time" for the KKK
> once it allows B'nai B'rith, for example?
> .........................................
>
> Bob Goudreau

I would notice that synagogue is a meeting place of a specific religious
community, and not explicitely open to the general public, like a mall.
The shop interior is designated for people to come and shop, but the
main alley of a mall does not have this specific character.

If we provide examples, I also will give one.  I live in a complex
of 40+ appartment houses owned by a single company.  Would it be
right for the management to request asking their prior permition
before canvassing the appartments to solicit donations?  Would it
be right for the management to throw out a girl scout or a proseliting
Mormon?  Or a peace activist?

By the way, what is the status of the parking lots of shopping plazas,
which are the favorite places in my semi-rural community for people
collecting donations?

If their status is the same as of the interior of a mall, then I think
that my rights are seriously courtailed.  Why should I be forced to
communicate with pamphleteerers only when I am driving, and when
I need to obstruct the trafick to stop my car?

Bob ignores the reality in most of American communities, where we usually
are either driving, or we walk on some private property.  If a place
is designated for walking for the general public, it should be treated
equally as a public sidewalk or alley.  Otherwise some of the rights
of the general public are curtailed.

When Tim is thrown out of a mall, not only his rights are abused, but
also the rights of people who would gladly pick a leaflet or tell him
that the peace movement is dumb; an activity which is an obvious right
on a street of a city.

Piotr Berman