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From: daver@felix.UUCP (Dave Richards)
Newsgroups: net.rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude photography (scam revealed)
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Date: Fri, 14-Feb-86 18:32:41 EST
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Posted: Fri Feb 14 18:32:41 1986
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In article <927@decwrl.DEC.COM> craig@ozone.DEC (plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose) writes:
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>   You're absolutely right, there have been some good questions 
>   about how people feel about cameras, or at a deeper level, 
>   about "peeping toms" coming around a nude beach and getting 
>   their rocks off looking at nude men and women.  I think you 
>   might have gotten good responses also by honestly inquiring 
>   about how others feel about this sort of situation.
>
>                                                Bob Craig

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that if I happen to walk along
a beach frequented by nude sunbathers (whether I know this or not), and I
enjoy the scenery, then I am a peeping tom because I am too inhibited to
remove my clothes in public?  So you, as a "naturalist" have nothing to
hide from anyone, as long as "anyone" is also nude?

If a naked person suddenly appears in front of me, am I supposed to:
  A. cover my eyes and run away  
  B. immediately remove any clothing I may have on
  C. back away, muttering apologies and blushing profusely
  D. all of the above?

As far as "getting rocks off looking at nude men and women":
I can't believe you have spent any real amount of time around nude people
or you would know this is ridiculous.  Sure, there may be an extremely
small percentage of drooling perverts out there that this would appeal to,
and I haven't been around a LOT of nude people, but I have certainly been
around enough, and been mature enough (since puberty, I think) to realize
that the eye/brain is quickly desensitized to any sexual arousal ONLY
due to nudity.

If you truly believe in nudeness as a way of life, you should have no 
problem with the idea of walking down a crowded city street nude
among hundreds of clothed people (assuming it were legal). And you
should assume that everyone else would ignore your nudeness.
BUT, (heaven help us) if someone should LOOK at you, I don't think
you should consider them a "peeping tom" any more than they should
consider you an "exhibitionist".

"Peeping toms" do exactly that. They peep. Over fences, through holes,
through telescopes, through windows, as in the joke:

    "My wife is so ugly, the other night a peeping tom threw up
     on her windowsill!"

I don't consider a person who enjoys the human form, and is open
about it to be a peeping tom.

Dave "clothing OPTIONAL" Richards