Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site unc.unc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!fsks From: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Racism and Judaism Message-ID: <1047@unc.unc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 24-Feb-86 16:43:22 EST Article-I.D.: unc.1047 Posted: Mon Feb 24 16:43:22 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Feb-86 05:18:03 EST References: <8602201930.AA22598@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> <1144@ihlpa.UUCP> Reply-To: fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) Organization: CS Dept, U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 30 Summary: In article <1144@ihlpa.UUCP> jho@ihlpa.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) writes: > Israel is paying a very high toll to the religionists. >The religionists in Israel, like their counterparts in Iran want >to shove their religion down everyone's throat. They would like >to so without being criticized. The majority of Israelis are secular. >They should tell their elected officials that enough is enough >with religious oppression!!!! What does it mean "to be a Jew?" Is there any way to characterize the Jewish people other than by religion? If a person rejects the religious aspects, then in what sense is he a Jew? I may claim to be a Jew because my parents were Jews, but eventually I must find somebody in my family tree who was religious. Without the the Jewish religion, how can there be Jews? Israel was founded so that Jews might find relief from persecution. But with the exception of the Nazi period, we've always had the option of excaping persecution by abandoning our religion. This was true during the Spanish Inquisition, as well as in communist countries today. This leads to sensitive questions about the purpose of Zionism. When a person renounces Judaism, in what sense is he different from a gentile? Why should such a person want to live in a Jewish state? Why should immigration laws apply differently to him than to a Moslem or a Christian? In Israel, a Jew can renounce his religion and still receive preferential treatment in immigration. This is what leads our enemies to suspect that Zionism must have some racial motive. What can we say in reply? Frank Silbermann