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From: simon@simon_pc.UUCP (Simon Shapiro)
Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish
Subject: Re: Racism and Judaism
Message-ID: <152@simon_pc.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 1-Mar-86 01:07:31 EST
Article-I.D.: simon_pc.152
Posted: Sat Mar  1 01:07:31 1986
Date-Received: Sun, 2-Mar-86 20:58:34 EST
References: <8602201930.AA22598@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> <1144@ihlpa.UUCP> <274@bocar.UUCP>
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Summary: religion & nationality... Being Jewish

In article <274@bocar.UUCP>, sieg@bocar.UUCP (B A Siegel) writes:
> > When a person renounces Judaism, in what sense is he different
> > from a gentile?  Why should such a person want to live in a
> > Jewish state?  Why should immigration laws apply differently
> > to him than to a Moslem or a Christian?  In Israel, a Jew can
> > renounce his religion and still receive preferential treatment
> > in immigration.  This is what leads our enemies to suspect that
> > Zionism must have some racial motive.  What can we say in reply?
> > 
> > 	Frank Silbermann
> 
> How true how true..
> 
> Barry Siegel

Let me add my two cents worth;

When Hitlers trrop collected Jews and turned them into soap and lampshades,
No one checked their beliefs.  If you were a bona fide Jew, child of one,
grandchild of one or grandgrandchild of one, off to the gas chamber you
go.  So a Jew has a right to find refuge in Israel, wether he is a true
beliver (by whose definition?) or not.

To me, a declared atheist, living in Israel, serving in the army, 
protecting & maintaning "Arey Miklat" for us all, is a lot more Jewish
that someone living comfortly in the US, donating money and complaining
that Israel or Zionism are equivalent to fashism.  Where were you, 
pious people when Jews were slaughtered in Europe?  Voting for the
same administration that refused sanctuary to the lucky ones that
escaped (Cuba took them).

I am jewish.  I was born & raised in Israel.  I served in the IDF for 
five years.  I participated in three wars.  I did my share.  I complained.
I was to the sinagouge no more than three times in my life.  I did NOT
have a Bar-Mitzva.  I am more Jewish than both of you!

Simon.

Flame off...