Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site reed.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!hplabs!tektronix!reed!purtell From: purtell@reed.UUCP (Lady Godiva) Newsgroups: net.women,net.singles,net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Bigot or an anti-Christian? Message-ID: <2586@reed.UUCP> Date: Sun, 23-Feb-86 04:30:33 EST Article-I.D.: reed.2586 Posted: Sun Feb 23 04:30:33 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Feb-86 06:18:45 EST References: <255@birtch.UUCP> <981@whuxl.UUCP> <334@fear.UUCP> <283@tolerant.UUCP> <9187@ucla-cs.ARPA> Reply-To: purtell@reed.UUCP (Lady Godiva) Distribution: net Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 63 Xref: linus net.women:8872 net.singles:9406 net.religion.christian:2831 In article <9187@ucla-cs.ARPA> cs111olg@ucla-cs.UUCP (Oleg Kiselev (the student incarnation)) writes: >In article <283@tolerant.UUCP> kathy@tolerant.UUCP (Kathy Kister) writes: >>> > P.S. Is it just my warped perception or are ALL born-again >>> > and fundamentalist Christians either dumbshits or assholes? >>> It's just your warped perception. You're a bigot, Oleg. >>I agree ! ! ! ! ! > >I don't agree... Judging by the attitudes of born-again, fundamentalist (and >identity) Christians on this net, they are mostly either severely mis-guided, >or are terminally gullible, or are not very bright, or are overwhelmingly >offensive. There are a few who are not too bad as people go - altho' so brain >washed that they can hardly see the world from behind the Bible.... I guess >I should not have said "ALL", but "most". But then, as Ray Frank has pointed >out, we dumb foreigners never learn how to speak English..... I have no idea how this got started but it certainly did grab my attention. I would certainly like to know where Oleg got this impression of Christians on the net. (Or, indeed, Christians in general.) If you would like to write to me and tell me I'd be most interested. Whether the pitch is as hardball as this posting or not is entirely up to you. I can't speak for every Christian on the net, but as for myself, I don't think that I'm misguided (but who among us does?) or brain washed. I'm pretty sure that I'm not gullible and as for bright, I entered a "highly ranked" college at 16 and am a classics major. (Ancient Greek and Latin aren't exactly a breeze.) So I guess my opinion on that is that I can at least hold my own. As for offensive, that's in the eye of the beholder I guess. And it's my opinion that I'm not the only Christian on the net who has at least a few redeeming qualities. >And yes, I *DO* dislike Christianity. Strongly dislike it. Any reason I should >not?! Christianity is responsible for giving birth to wonderful and humanistic >endeavors like crusades, witch hunts, slavery in America, destruction of >Amerindian cultures and peoples, Inquisition, pogroms..... Why SHOULD I like >people who worship a for-a-long-time dead man on a stick, who drink his blood >and eat his flesh, who feel guilty for being human and having a human body, >who deny themselves most pleasures in life in the name of their ephemeral "god" >in words while submerging in depravities in deeds. Who can follow such a >monstrous teaching in their right mind or in full honesty?! What about people like Mother Theresa, Saint Francis, Thomas Moore and hundreds and thousands of other people who aren't as well known? The various churches do an amazing amount of charity work each year, most notably the Catholic church and the Quakers. There are strong Christian forces working for nuclear disarmament and feeding people in Africa (as well as in other countries including the US). I do not deny that the above mentioned instances are horrible acts, perfect examples of man's inhumanity to man as it were, but they are in the past. They do not reflect the basis of Christianity (Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Love your neighbor as yourself) nor do they reflect presentday Christianity. Do you hate the Germans and Japanese because of World War II? As to feeling guilty for being human or having a human body, I know of no Christian who feels that way, athough there may be some. I certainly don't feel that way. Nor do I deny myself most pleasures in life. As for being depraved, well, ok, I've been accused of that, but it was usually meant in a fairly positive way. ;-) Uh, one last note. Why is this on net.singles? Share and enjoy - elizabeth g. purtell (Lady Godiva)