Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!hao!ames!eugene From: eugene@ames.UUCP (Eugene Miya) Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Re: "Long Term Implications of Challenger Accident" Message-ID: <1399@ames.UUCP> Date: Sun, 16-Feb-86 16:32:04 EST Article-I.D.: ames.1399 Posted: Sun Feb 16 16:32:04 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 18-Feb-86 03:36:55 EST References: <860210-065500-1155@Xerox> Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 40 > Does anybody remember the last time in history when a government > operation successfully "explored a historic frontier?" Yeah, me > neither. > > Paul Gloger I can remember many. We had, what I considered, an important ocean program which died with the death of one aquanaut off the CA coast in the late 1960s. We want to go into space without exploring 70% of our own planet. Much of this work is military related. What happened to the industrial use of the ocean? Well, it turns out Mn Nodules are not as high quality and plentiful as first believed. You also need more than Mn. {same as with space: you need more than loncrete, O2, etc.} We must not belittle the efforts of the USGS, the purchases of Alaska, Lousiana (oops, sp) [I recognize we took a lot, too]. What about the non-physical frontiers such as nuclear energy and attempts of build great societies thru education [I was educated in the latter, and many of my doors are now closed to others]. I think many of these programs died for complex combinations of reasons. The economic risks are great. The social biases are interesting. Many people don't so see as we do about the uses of space. Rather than say, "They are blind" I try to ask myself what do they see that I don't. I also ask how can I convince them of the importance of my viewpoint. Occasionally, I succeed; I typically fail: that is the nature of debate, one rarely converts one's opponents. See the similarity of our arguments with historical record. We have great differences, too: we don't send POMEs (pardons to the English and Australians) into space. Most of the arguments for going into the sea were the same as going into space. Mostly the scales were different. --eugene miya NASA Ames Research Center {hplabs,ihnp4,dual,hao,decwrl,allegra}!ames!aurora!eugene eugene@ames-nas.ARPA