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From: tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen)
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Subject: Re: NHL Rookie of the year - FLAME OFF! <STILL LONG>
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Date: Tue, 4-Mar-86 17:22:32 EST
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Posted: Tue Mar  4 17:22:32 1986
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Reply-To: tohaapanen@watrose.UUCP (Tom Haapanen)
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>>>> < Donning Asbestos Suit >
>>> Damn right, Gary! :-)
>> It's getting mighty warm in here! :-)
> The sprinklers just went off! :-)
Hey, this is really starting to look like fun!

>>> ... Dahlin and the Montreal power play ...
>>  OK fine.  He's not the only reason, but he is a contributing factor.
>Finally!  We agree on something!  You won't get an argument from me there.

>> And that fact has been ignored in the media's evaluation of Dahlin.

> But you might here.  I don't really think that Dahlin's relationship with
> the powerplay has been ignored.  After all, Jeff originally stated that
> the large contribution that the power play made to Dahlin's stats was
> tainting his position.

Yes, but!  What the media is assuming is that Dahlin's production is
impressive BECAUSE OF the fact that he's on the league's best power
play unit.  They're the ones that should be figuring out causation.
That power play production should NOT taint his chances -- although it may.

>>> ... Bobby Smith and the power play ...

>> (I am confident Stephane Richer could be just as successfull).

> Amazing!  Another point of agreement!  I've only seen Richer twice this
> year (he's been injured quite a bit) but it seems like he is a very good
> player with a good sense for the open ice.  Richer could possibly 
> replace Smith but that's only because of the Canadiens' depth.  

In my opinion, had Richer not been injured, he would be a viable
candidate for the Calder as well.  Flames on that one?

>>>> The bottom line is Clark has spent far too much time in the penalty box.
>>> He's just a rookie making mistakes of overaggressiveness.  <excuses follow>
>> Isn't that what Goons are for??
> That's a fault of the Leafs, not a slight on Clark.  

I'm sure Maloney is not telling him "Go get him, Wendel!" (now if
Clark was playing for Detroit...).  So, yes, he is making mistakes of
overaggressiveness.  But, Carlo, in my opinion he is making far too
many of them, even for a rookie.  Compare his penalty total to Dahlin
or Ridley...

>And it won't be overlooked, either.  I'm sure that there are plenty
>of people who will look at that -27 and faint.  But he is a ROOKIE.  
>Experience is a key when it comes to backchecking.  Note that I tried
>to emphasize that point.  Evidently I failed.

We KNOW he's a rookie --- we ARE talking about the Calder trophy,
aren't we?  OK, look at Clark's plus/minus and compare it to the other
Leafs.  Now look at Dahlin's and Ridley's and compare them to the rest
of the Canadiens and Rangers.  Do you still say Clark is good enough
defensively, EVEN AS A ROOKIE?

It's not that Clark isn't (or at least won't be in the future) a good
player, I just feel he's got too many deficiencies right now to merit
the Calder trophy.


\tom haapanen						/ watrose!tohaapanen
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A statistical reminder of a world that doesn't care           (c) UB40, 1981