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From: cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro)
Newsgroups: net.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Rookie of the year <STILL LONG but getting shorter>
Message-ID: <519@watdragon.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 5-Mar-86 09:16:48 EST
Article-I.D.: watdrago.519
Posted: Wed Mar  5 09:16:48 1986
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Reply-To: cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro)
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Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario
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Summary: more Waterloo musings on Clark and Dahlin (previously cancelled)



<Welcome to net.sport.hockey.waterloo.  By the time this posting makes it
out of the city, it will no doubt be joined by umpteen other postings by
other Waterlooites.  Well, at least it's getting lively!>

Key:  >>>>> and >>> = Gary Belleville; > = Tom Haapanen; >>>> and >> = me

>>>>> < Donning Asbestos Suit >
>>>> Damn right, Gary! :-)
>>> It's getting mighty warm in here! :-)
>> The sprinklers just went off! :-)
>Hey, this is really starting to look like fun!
Net.sport.hockey.flame, anyone?

>>> And that fact has been ignored in the media's evaluation of Dahlin.
>
>> But you might here.  I don't really think that Dahlin's relationship with
>> the powerplay has been ignored.  After all, Jeff originally stated that
>> the large contribution that the power play made to Dahlin's stats was
>> tainting his position.
"tainting" meaning "warping".

>That power play production should NOT taint his chances -- although it may.
Of course.  You shouldn't be penalized for something good that happens
to you.  This happens far too often in pro sports (especially when assessing
pitching in various ballparks in baseball, but that's another newsgroup).

>> ...   I've only seen Richer twice this
>> year (he's been injured quite a bit) but it seems like he is a very good
>> player with a good sense for the open ice.  Richer could possibly 
>> replace Smith but that's only because of the Canadiens' depth.  
>
>In my opinion, had Richer not been injured, he would be a viable
>candidate for the Calder as well.  Flames on that one?
My original comment on Richer was not strong enough.  I agree with you on
this one, Tom.

>
>>>>> The bottom line is Clark has spent far too much time in the penalty box.
>> That's a fault of the Leafs, not a slight on Clark.  
>Compare his penalty total to Dahlin or Ridley...
I don't see how this disagrees with my point on how the Leafs need someone
to be aggressive for them.  Dahlin and Ridley don't have that role (and NOT 
the goon role; has everyone forgotten my Terry O'Reilly comparison already?)
with their teams because other players do it.


>>And it won't be overlooked, either.  I'm sure that there are plenty
>>of people who will look at that -27 and faint.  But he is a ROOKIE.  
>>Experience is a key when it comes to backchecking.  Note that I tried
>>to emphasize that point.  Evidently I failed.
>
>We KNOW he's a rookie --- we ARE talking about the Calder trophy,
>aren't we?  
It seems as though that fact got lost (or ignored) in previous postings.  

>OK, look at Clark's plus/minus and compare it to the other
>Leafs.  Now look at Dahlin's and Ridley's and compare them to the rest
>of the Canadiens and Rangers.  Do you still say Clark is good enough
>defensively, EVEN AS A ROOKIE?
Again, it goes back to his aggressiveness.  His plus/minus won't be 
ignored but does his aggressiveness make up for it.  I say yes.  The
Leafs simply would not be where they are if it were not for Wendel
Clark.  I know that we are not talking about "most valuable rookie" but
maybe we should be.

-- 

Carlo Sgro
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