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From: mrgofor@mmm.UUCP (MKR)
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Subject: Re: Followup to 'His was the most human...'
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Date: Thu, 13-Feb-86 10:45:31 EST
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Posted: Thu Feb 13 10:45:31 1986
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In article <624@riccb.UUCP> rjnoe@riccb.UUCP (Roger J. Noe) writes:
>
>> I would have thought that what Spock did was the only logical thing to
>> do, but the script has Spock accept it as an emotional action.
>
>Not at all.  Spock says it was logical to take an illogical action.
>
	Say what? Are you serious? That was the point - it was NOT
an illogical act, but Spock accepted that it was (well, the script writers
accepted that it was).

>
>> STAR TREK says emotion is better than logic;
>
>On the contrary, Star Trek says they are different, neither is superior.
>Accept both as useful in their own circumstances.  IDIC.
>
	Yes, but at the end of ST:TMP, Kirk makes some inane comment about
why mankind is so great - "the capcaity to leap beyond logic." I submit
that it is this capacity that causes problems, and when it solves them, it
is either pure luck or evidence of script writers.

>
>The half-white, half-AmerIndian analogy only applies if the person had
>tried to suppress his white half for years and only recently came to
>terms with the fact that his white half is valuable; he is not a whole
>person as long as he suppresses half of himself.  That's what ALL of
>the first Star Trek movie is about.
>
	I disagree - I think the only excuse for that remark is that there
really are no vulcans to be offended. If there were such a beast, and if
genetics allowed them to inter-breed (iron-based systems with copper-based),
I would assume that either of these remarks would offend the halfbreed:
	He was the ultimate human.
	He was the ultimate vulcan.

>> [the eulogy] was a comment that . . . Spock, if he were alive, would
>> have denied . . .
>
>I disagree strongly.  He would have said, "Why, thank you, Captain."
>
	I think he would have ripped Jim a new asshole and then started
to cry, yelling "Am not! Am not! Am not! Whatever you say I am you are
only more so!"

>> It would have been much better to say he represented the best that was
>> human and the best that was Vulcan.
>
>Absolutely.

Absolutely.

>	Roger Noe			ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe

--MKR