Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site well.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!ut-sally!mordor!lll-crg!well!elliot From: elliot@well.UUCP (Elliot Fabric) Newsgroups: net.taxes,net.invest Subject: Re: Any probate experts out there? Message-ID: <658@well.UUCP> Date: Sat, 15-Feb-86 16:00:36 EST Article-I.D.: well.658 Posted: Sat Feb 15 16:00:36 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 16-Feb-86 09:14:39 EST References: <1122@decwrl.DEC.COM> Reply-To: elliot@well.UUCP (Elliot Fabric) Organization: Whole Earth Lectronic Link, Sausalito CA Lines: 22 Xref: linus net.taxes:909 net.invest:1122 There are numerous types of trusts. If you were the sole Trustee, all of the money in the Trust would have been considered an incompleted transfer for tax purposes. The assets would, thewrefore, be included in your gross estate at death. If you had an independent Trustee, or a different Trustee in certain circumstances, a properly drawn IRREVOCABLE Trust would be a completed transfer for Tax purposes. You would not then be able to draw down some of the transferred money. As in all things tax-related, there are exceptions. Here the major exception is a so-called Short Term or Clifford Trust, which allows the asset to revert to you after 10 years or the life of the life income beneficiary. The Short Term Trust accomplishes income shifting from the trust creator to the income benficiary and is useful to some high income tax bracket individuals. A self-created, self-trusteed Trust would not be a shield to hold off creditors, especially where the creator-trustee is the sole beneficiary. A modicum of creditor protection may be possible with a highly-aggressive, extremely complex approach. But that is another topic. protection, but that would involve extremely complex, highly sophisticated approach, with no guarantee of result.